How Do You Solve Differential Equations Using Reduction of Order?

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The discussion focuses on solving the differential equation 4x^2y'' + y = 0 using the method of reduction of order, with a known solution y_1 = √x ln x. Participants clarify that P(x) is zero due to the absence of a y' term, which complicates the integration process for V(x). There is confusion regarding the correct formula for V(x), with one user realizing that it should have a denominator of y^2 instead of just y. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the integrating factor and simplifying the resulting equations. Ultimately, the user finds clarity after confirming the correct formula and assumptions with their teacher.
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Homework Statement



Solve the following using the method of reduction of order.

4x^2y''+y=0
y_1=\sqrt{x}lnx


Homework Equations



y_2=v(x)y_1

v(x) = ∫ (e^(-∫P(x)dx / y_1) Sorry if that's tough to read, couldn't figure out the latex for it, but it's supposed to be a formula for V(x).

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K so, Y_2 = V(x)y_1.

In this case P(x) is 0, correct? Because there is no y' term.

That's what is throwing me off. Our teacher often just sort of ignores constants when he's teaching, so I'm not quite sure what to do.

I end up with

V(x) = \int e^k x^{-1/2} lnx dx

I don't know what to do with that. I'm not sure if he just wants us to say that V(x)y_1 is the solution, or if he wants us to simplify it out.

Any thoughts? Either way I wouldn't have the slightest clue how to go about integrating that.
 
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I don't know what the ##k## in your answer is and without you showing more steps it's hard to help you. Your ##V(x)## isn't correct. Don't forget you need the leading coefficient to be ##1## when you calculate the integrating factor. Show us your work.

For what it's worth, the second solution comes out nice and simple.
 
Since you didn't tell us what "P(x)" is supposed to mean, we cannot tell you what function it is. As for "V(x)= \int e^k x^{1/2}ln(x)dx", where did that "k" come from? There is no "k" in anything you wrote before.
 
P(x) is the coefficient of the y' term. So P(x) is zero... the integral of 0 is K, that's where the K came from.

When you say V(x) is incorrect, do you mean the formula or the V(x) I ended up with? The latter wouldn't surprise me, that's why I'm here for help, but the former I copied from the board.

If I go through the steps to solve for V(x) the problem gets very messy because there are so many derivatives of x^(1/2)ln x. That's why I assumed he wanted us to use the formula.

As for more steps, well... according to my teacher I should just plug P(x) and y1 into the formula for V(x) and multiply by y1 to get y2.

Anyway, I am about to head to class and I will ask him. I will post my findings here.

Thanks for the help.
 
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Just to give you a point of reference, if you go through the steps to find ##v(x)##, you should wind up with this DE after simplifying$$
v''x\ln x+v'\ln x+2v'=0$$And don't forget you need the leading coefficient to be 1 when you calculate the integrating factor so you can solve for ##v'##.
 
I got some help today on campus. The problem was with my formula for V(x). I have it written in my notes wrong. The actual formula should have a denominator of y^2, not just y.

Also about the constant, the teacher told me just to assume it is 0. I will probably never take another 5-week math course, it is making my head spin.

Everything fell into place once I realized that, but thank you both for your help!
 
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