Using variation of parameters to derive a general solution?

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The discussion focuses on deriving a general solution for the initial value problem using the variation of parameters method. The integral expression for ##Y(t)## is given as ##Y(t)=\int_{t_0}^t(\frac{y_1(s)y_2(t)-y_1(t)y_2(s)}{y_1(s)y_2'(s)-y_1'(s)y_2(s)})g(s)ds##. Participants suggest applying the Leibniz rule to simplify the differentiation of ##Y(t)##, which leads to a more manageable solution without the need for calculating the second derivative. The use of the Wronskian ##W(y_1,y_2)(s)## is also emphasized in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


"By choosing the lower limit of integration in Eq. (28) in the text as the initial point ##t_0##, show that ##Y(t)## becomes

##Y(t)=\int_{t_0}^t(\frac{y_1(s)y_2(t)-y_t(t)y_2(s)}{y_1(s)y_2'(s)-y_1'(s)y_2(s)})g(s)ds##

Show that ##Y(t)## is a solution of the initial value problem:

##L[y]=g(t)##
##y(t_0)=0##
##y'(t_0)=0##"

Homework Equations


Equation 28: ##Y(t)=-y_1(t)\int_{t_0}^t\frac{y_2(s)g(s)}{W(y_1,y_2)(s)}ds+y_2(t)\int_{t_0}^t\frac{y_1(s)g(s)}{W(y_1,y_2)(s)}ds##

The Attempt at a Solution


My main method of trying to solve this would be to differentiate ##Y(t)## twice and substituting in the derivatives into the general equation ##y''+p(t)y'+q(t)y=g(t)##. So...

##Y(t)=\int_{t_0}^t(\frac{y_1(s)y_2(t)-y_t(t)y_2(s)}{y_1(s)y_2'(s)-y_1'(s)y_2(s)})g(s)ds##
##\frac{d}{dt}Y(t)=(-y_1'(t)\int_{t_0}^t\frac{y_2(s)g(s)}{W(y_1,y_2)(s)}ds-y_1(t)\frac{y_2(t)g(t)}{W(y_1,y_2)(t)})+(y_2'(t)\int_{t_0}^t\frac{y_1(s)g(s)}{W(y_1,y_2)(t)}ds+y_2(t)\frac{y_1(t)g(t)}{W(y_1,y_2)(t)})##

I feel like there should be an easier way to do this, because I don't really wish to calculate the second derivative of ##Y(t)##. Perhaps I should do something with the ##L[y]## operator? I don't exactly know how it works.
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:

Homework Statement


"By choosing the lower limit of integration in Eq. (28) in the text as the initial point ##t_0##, show that ##Y(t)## becomes

##Y(t)=\int_{t_0}^t(\frac{y_1(s)y_2(t)-y_t(t)y_2(s)}{y_1(s)y_2'(s)-y_1'(s)y_2(s)})g(s)ds##

Show that ##Y(t)## is a solution of the initial value problem:

##L[y]=g(t)##
##y(t_0)=0##
##y'(t_0)=0##"

Homework Equations


Equation 28: ##Y(t)=-y_1(t)\int_{t_0}^t\frac{y_2(s)g(s)}{W(y_1,y_2)(s)}ds+y_2(t)\int_{t_0}^t\frac{y_1(s)g(s)}{W(y_1,y_2)(s)}ds##

The Attempt at a Solution


My main method of trying to solve this would be to differentiate ##Y(t)## twice and substituting in the derivatives into the general equation ##y''+p(t)y'+q(t)y=g(t)##. So...

##Y(t)=\int_{t_0}^t(\frac{y_1(s)y_2(t)-y_t(t)y_2(s)}{y_1(s)y_2'(s)-y_1'(s)y_2(s)})g(s)ds##
##\frac{d}{dt}Y(t)=(-y_1'(t)\int_{t_0}^t\frac{y_2(s)g(s)}{W(y_1,y_2)(s)}ds-y_1(t)\frac{y_2(t)g(t)}{W(y_1,y_2)(t)})+(y_2'(t)\int_{t_0}^t\frac{y_1(s)g(s)}{W(y_1,y_2)(t)}ds+y_2(t)\frac{y_1(t)g(t)}{W(y_1,y_2)(t)})##

I feel like there should be an easier way to do this, because I don't really wish to calculate the second derivative of ##Y(t)##. Perhaps I should do something with the ##L[y]## operator? I don't exactly know how it works.
Think about Leibnitz rule:$$
\frac d {dt}\int_{t_0}^t f(s,t)~ds = f(t,t) + \int_{t_0}^t f_t(s,t)ds$$Try applying that to$$
Y(t)=\int_{t_0}^t(\frac{y_1(s)y_2(t)-y_1(t)y_2(s)}{y_1(s)y_2'(s)-y_1'(s)y_2(s)})g(s)ds$$Try applying that directly to your integral without taking anything out of the integral. I think you will see it works easier than what you did and you will notice immediately that part of your answer cancels out. Not that your work is incorrect but I think you will find it seems less messy and won't be so terrified about taking another derivative.
 
LCKurtz said:
##\int_{t_0}^tf_t(s,t)ds##

Do you mean I take the partial derivative with respect to ##t##? Anyway, thanks. This simplified the problem very much.
 
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