How Do You Solve for B in the Equation y = x(1 - B)?

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The discussion revolves around algebraic manipulation of equations related to the classical limit of the relativistic Doppler shift, specifically focusing on how to isolate the variable B in the equation y = x(1 - B). Participants are attempting to clarify the steps needed to transition between different forms of the equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the algebraic steps needed to derive (x - y) / y = B from y = x(1 - B), indicating a struggle with the manipulation of the equations.
  • Another participant suggests that the derivation presented may be incorrect and asks for clarification on the logical progression between the equations.
  • A different participant points out that the transition from w = w'(1 - B) to (w' - w)/w = B is valid only if the last w is replaced with w', implying a potential error in the original derivation.
  • One participant emphasizes that the classical Doppler shift equation is Δw/w = B, not Δw/w' = B, and provides context regarding the Lorentz transform and the use of a Maclaurin series to derive the (1 - B) factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correctness of the algebraic steps, with multiple competing views on how to properly manipulate the equations and differing interpretations of the relationships between the variables.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of the variables involved and the steps taken in the algebraic manipulation. The discussion highlights potential misinterpretations of the equations and their transformations.

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Hi folks, I am working through a section on the classical limit of the relativistic doppler shift, but I am stuck on some algebra, I think it should be really basic but I just can't get it to work! My notes go from

w = w'(1 - B)

to

(w' - w)/w = B

The context doesn't matter here really, I am just trying to work out the algebraic steps to go from

y = x(1 - B)

to

( x - y) / y = B

I have spent over an hour going around in circles and it seems impossible, have I copied something down wrong or can it be done?
 
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I'm almost certain your derivation is completely messed up. It would help if you posted an example of your logical progression from the first to the second equation.

For instance, the primed W is a multiplied variable on the RHS, but a subtracted one on the LHS. Then you've got the constant "1" that magically disappears. . . :what:
 
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ck99 said:
My notes go from

w = w'(1 - B)
to
(w' - w)/w = B

This becomes correct if you replace the last w with w'
 
That's what I did first of all, but the classical doppler shift equation is Δw/w = B and not Δw/w' = B.

The starting point comes from the Lorentz transform between frames of a photon emitted parallel to the particles motion, in the non-relativistic limit (ie using a Mclaurin series to get the (1-B) factor where B = v/c).
 

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