How Do You Solve the Isobaric Equation (x+y)dx - (x-y)dy = 0?

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The problem involves finding a one-parameter family of solutions to the isobaric equation given by (x+y)dx - (x-y)dy = 0, which falls under the subject area of differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various steps taken to manipulate the equation, including substitutions and rearrangements. There is mention of using the substitution u = y/x to simplify the problem. Some participants express uncertainty about the next steps, particularly regarding the integration process.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the problem and explore different methods of solving it. Some participants have shared their progress, while others are seeking further assistance. There is no explicit consensus on the final solution, but guidance has been offered regarding the substitution method.

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Participants note a preference for simpler substitutions and express discomfort with certain forms of the equations, such as having u cubed in the denominator. There is also a request for help with posting LaTeX, indicating a need for clarity in mathematical communication.

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Homework Statement


Find a one-parameter family of solutions to the isobaric equation

(x+y)dx - (x-y)dy = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


First I subtracted -(x-y) to the both sides
Step 1: (x+y)dx = (x-y dy

I then distributed dx into (x+y) and dy into (x-y) to get
Step 2: xdx +ydx = xdy -ydy

I then divided the y on the left side of the equal sign to both sides
Step 3: x/ydx + dx = x/ydy + dy

Step 4: using 1/u = x/y

I get
Step 5: 1/u dx + dx = 1/u dy - dy

I then factored out dx and dy to get
Step 6: (1/u +1)dx = (1/u - 1)dy

I then divided (1/u - 1) to both sides and dx to both sides to get
Step 7: (1/u +1) / (1/u - 1) = dy/dx

using the above 1/u = x/y and rearranging to the form y = xu and taking derivative of y in respect to x I get
Step 8: dy/dx = (du/dx)x + u

I then used dy/dx in step 8 to plug into step 7 dy/dx to get
Step 9: (1/u +1) / (1/u - 1) = (du/dx)x + u

I then subtracted the u on the right side of the equal sign to both sides to get
Step 10: (-u+u^3) / 1 - u = (du/dx)x

I then used separable equations to get
Step 11: (1/x)dx = (1-u) / (-u + u^3)du

This is where I stopped because I don't like (u cubed on the denominator).

Any help would be fantastic. I know my next steps will be integration but I feel there's another step that needs to be taken.
 
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Mark Brewer said:

Homework Statement


Find a one-parameter family of solutions to the isobaric equation

(x+y)dx - (x-y)dy = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


First I subtracted -(x-y) to the both sides
Step 1: (x+y)dx = (x-y dy

I then distributed dx into (x+y) and dy into (x-y) to get
Step 2: xdx +ydx = xdy -ydy

I then divided the y on the left side of the equal sign to both sides
Step 3: x/ydx + dx = x/ydy + dy

Step 4: using 1/u = x/y
Or u = y/x, which is a lot simpler. Use this substitution to get a separable differential equation.
Mark Brewer said:
I get
Step 5: 1/u dx + dx = 1/u dy - dy

I then factored out dx and dy to get
Step 6: (1/u +1)dx = (1/u - 1)dy

I then divided (1/u - 1) to both sides and dx to both sides to get
Step 7: (1/u +1) / (1/u - 1) = dy/dx

using the above 1/u = x/y and rearranging to the form y = xu and taking derivative of y in respect to x I get
Step 8: dy/dx = (du/dx)x + u

I then used dy/dx in step 8 to plug into step 7 dy/dx to get
Step 9: (1/u +1) / (1/u - 1) = (du/dx)x + u

I then subtracted the u on the right side of the equal sign to both sides to get
Step 10: (-u+u^3) / 1 - u = (du/dx)x

I then used separable equations to get
Step 11: (1/x)dx = (1-u) / (-u + u^3)du

This is where I stopped because I don't like (u cubed on the denominator).

Any help would be fantastic. I know my next steps will be integration but I feel there's another step that needs to be taken.
 
Mark44 said:
Or u = y/x, which is a lot simpler. Use this substitution to get a separable differential equation.
Thank you, Mark.

I'm going to work the problem from the beginning so I can use u = y/x.

Mark
 
Hi Mark,

Thank you again. I successfully finished the problem. My answer determined was arctan(1 + y2/x2) - 1/2ln|1 + y2/x2| = ln|x| + c
 
can someone explain to me how to post latex?
\int x^2 dx
 
Sammbuch said:
should be
arctan(y/x) - 1/2 ln(1 + y^2/x^2) = ln(x) + c
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=solve+(x+y)dx-(x-y)dy=0
I didn't check the OP's answer. When you solve a DE, it's always a good idea to check that your solution satisifies the original diff. equation.
Sammbuch said:
The equation ##x+2=3## implies $$x=1.$$
Does the above have anything to do with this problem?

Sammbuch said:
can someone explain to me how to post latex?
\int x^2 dx
See https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/ under INFO --> Help/How-To, in the banner at the top of the page.[/QUOTE]
 

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