How Does 4-Acceleration Differ in General Relativity Versus Special Relativity?

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The discussion revolves around the differences and similarities in the definition and application of 4-acceleration in General Relativity (GR) versus Special Relativity (SR). It explores the mathematical formalism involved, particularly the role of Christoffel symbols in both contexts, and the implications of using curvilinear versus rectilinear coordinates.

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  • Some participants note that the Wikipedia page distinguishes between SR 4-acceleration in rectilinear versus curvilinear coordinates, suggesting that curvilinear coordinates require Christoffel symbols, which introduces an additional term.
  • Others argue that the formula for 4-acceleration always requires Christoffel symbols, but in rectilinear coordinates in Minkowski spacetime, all Christoffel symbols are zero, challenging the distinction made in the Wikipedia entry.
  • One participant claims there is no formal difference in the formula for GR 4-acceleration and SR 4-acceleration, even in rectilinear coordinates, asserting that the same formula applies universally.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while Christoffel symbols have different meanings in curved versus flat spacetime, their mathematical function remains consistent across both contexts.
  • One participant introduces the concept of a unique torsion-free derivative operator associated with the metric, stating that this operator behaves similarly in both Minkowski and curved spacetime.
  • Another participant clarifies that the 4-acceleration of an observer can be expressed using the absolute derivative along the observer's worldline, applicable to all spacetimes, including Minkowski spacetime.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding in earlier expressions, affirming that Christoffel symbols function equivalently in both curved and flat cases, while still recognizing the distinction between the two types of spacetime.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of Christoffel symbols in GR and SR, with no consensus reached on the formal distinctions between the two contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of these mathematical elements.

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Participants highlight the importance of context when discussing the role of Christoffel symbols, noting that their meaning can vary based on the curvature of the spacetime being considered. There is also mention of the geometric characterization of derivative operators that may not be fully explored in the discussion.

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In the wikipedia page a distinction is made in the definition of the SR 4-acceleration between the case with rectilinear vs. curvilinear coordinates, the latter requiring the use of Christoffel symbols of the coordinates wrt the Minkowski space and therefore an additional term.
Finally it presents the formula of 4-acceleration in the context of GR.
Is it ok to say that there is no formal difference in the formula between the GR 4-acceleration and the SR one in curvilinear coordinates?
Of course we now one refers to curved space and the other to flat space in curved coordinates, so the Christoffel symbols have different meaning in both cases, I'm referring to the formal mathematical operations.
 
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TrickyDicky said:
In the wikipedia page a distinction is made in the definition of the SR 4-acceleration between the case with rectilinear vs. curvilinear coordinates, the latter requiring the use of Christoffel symbols of the coordinates wrt the Minkowski space and therefore an additional term.

Technically that isn't correct. The formula always "requires the use of Christoffel symbols"; it's just that in rectilinear coordinates in Minkowski spacetime all the Christoffel symbols are zero. So I don't really buy the distinction the Wiki page is making here.

TrickyDicky said:
Is it ok to say that there is no formal difference in the formula between the GR 4-acceleration and the SR one in curvilinear coordinates?

I would say there's no formal difference, period, even in SR in rectilinear coordinates. Formally I can always put in the Christoffel symbols in rectilinear coordinates, since they're zero anyway; and doing that makes things simpler, since the same formula applies in all cases. See above.

TrickyDicky said:
Of course we now one refers to curved space and the other to flat space in curved coordinates, so the Christoffel symbols have different meaning in both cases

I'm not sure I buy this distinction either. You can make the Christoffel symbols vanish at a point in curved spacetime, whereas in flat spacetime you can make them vanish everywhere; but I would say that's because of the curvature, not because of any difference in meaning of the Christoffel symbols.
 
TrickyDicky said:
Of course we now one refers to curved space and the other to flat space in curved coordinates, so the Christoffel symbols have different meaning in both cases, I'm referring to the formal mathematical operations.

Given a space-time ##(M,g_{\mu\nu})##, there necessarily exists a unique torsion-free derivative operator ##\nabla_{\mu}## associated with ##g_{\mu\nu}##. If ##M## is Minkowski space-time then regardless of whatever coordinates you represent ##g_{\mu\nu}## in, ##\nabla_{\mu}## is necessarily a flat derivative operator so this is the geometric (invariant) characterization of ##\nabla_{\mu}##.

But this doesn't change the function of ##\nabla_{\mu}## when operating on tensor fields irrespective of ##M## being Minkowski space-time (i.e. irrespective of ##\nabla_{\mu}## being flat). If ##g_{\mu\nu}## is represented in an arbitrary coordinate system ##\{x^{\mu}\}## on Minkowski space-time then, for example, ##\nabla_{\mu}V^{\nu} = \partial_{\mu}V^{\nu} + \Gamma^{\nu}_{\mu\gamma}V^{\gamma}## just like in curved space-time. In other words, the Christoffel symbols have the exact same meaning regardless of whether or not we are in Minkowski space-time or curved space-time, as Peter noted. The actual difference is simply that ##\nabla_{[\gamma}\nabla_{\mu]}V^{\nu} = 0## for all vector fields in Minkowski space-time.
 
Adding my 2 cents to what Peter and WannabeNewton wrote.

Let ##\left( M . g \right)## be a spacetime, and let ##\gamma## be the worldline of an observer parametrized by proper time ##\tau##. If, along ##\gamma##, ##u## is the tangent vector to ##\gamma## (observer's 4-velocity), then the 4-acceleration of the observer is given by

$$a = \frac{Du}{D\tau},$$

where ##D/D\tau## is the absolute derivative along the curve (called "covariant derivative along the curve" by Lee in "Riemannian Manifolds") induced by the metric-compatible torsion-free connection.

This is true for all spacetimes, including Minkowski spacetime.
 
Thanks for the answers.
Fully agree. Didn't express myself correctly as I was precisely trying to convey the Christoffel symbols act equally in all cases, just didn't want to be misinterpreted as saying curved and flat is the same thing.
 

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