How Does a Falling Chain Affect Scale Readings?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a vertically suspended chain falling onto a scale. The user is trying to determine the scale's reading as a function of the length of the chain that has fallen. They derive equations using Newton's second law and conservation of energy but find that their final expression for the normal force does not match the expected answer. The user questions whether they have made an error in applying Newton's second law, energy conservation, or algebraic manipulation. The conversation highlights the complexities of analyzing dynamic systems and the importance of careful calculations in physics problems.
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Homework Statement



Hi guys, I have a question on problem 4.11 in Kleppner and Kolenkow's mechanics book. A chain of mass M and length L is suspended vertically with its lowest end touching a scale. The chain is released and falls onto the scale. What is the reading of the scale when a length of chain, x, has fallen?

Homework Equations



I will denote the chain's linear mass density by r = M/L.

The Attempt at a Solution



Okay, there are only two forces acting on the chain: the normal force of the scale and the gravity force due to its mass. The normal force N is what we're interested in; we want it as a function of position. I will write Newton's second law for the chain:

r (d/dt)[(L - x)(-x')] = N - rLg

The left hand side is the change in vertical momentum of the chain; the right side is the normal force and weight. Note that x' = dx/dt. This rewrites as:

N/r = Lg - Lx'' + (x')^2 + xx'' (equation 1)

Now, let's use conservation of energy on the chain. The normal force at the bottom does no work, but the conservative gravitational force does. We get (equating the energy at chain fallen x to the energy at the beginning of the fall):

(1/2)r(L - x)(x')^2 + r(L - x)g(L - x)/2 = rLg*L/2

Simplifying,

(x')^2 + g(L - x) = g(L^2)/(L - x) (equation 2)

I will now take the time derivative of each side to get:

x'' = (g/2) + (g/2)(L^2)/[(L - x)^2] (equation 3)

Now I substitute equations 2 and 3 into equation 1 to come up with the expression for the normal force on the chain. After some algebra, I get:

N = rg[(-L/2) + (3/2)x + (L^2)/(2L - 2x)]

which is not the answer. Am I messing up Newton's second law, the energy conservation, or my algebra after I plug things in? Thanks in advance for the help.
 
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x''=g should be true, shouldn't it?
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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