How Does a Flywheel Begin to Move with Constant Speed After Adding a Mass?

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The problem involves understanding the dynamics of a flywheel system when a mass is added, specifically how the system transitions from rest to moving at a constant speed. The discussion touches on concepts of forces, tension, friction, and inertia within the context of rotational motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants express confusion about the transition from rest to constant speed and question the implications of forces acting on the system. There are discussions about the role of tension, friction, and inertial forces, with some participants suggesting that the net force on the hanging mass could help determine the tension.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the concept of how a system can be at rest and then move at constant speed, while others are questioning the assumptions related to forces and torques. There is recognition of the need to consider the initial conditions and the forces involved, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the calculations or the dynamics at play.

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Participants note the complexity of the transition from static to kinetic states and the potential need to account for friction as a torque. There is also mention of the challenge in understanding how forces interact during this transition.

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For this problem, I don't understand how can the system be at rest and immediately after placing the mass, to move with constant speed. But anyways, can you tell me please how to proceed?

On the hanging mass, there is mg acting and T the tension of the rope. On the flywheel, the tension of the rope is acting and the friction of the bearings.

I have no clue what the tension of the rope is. I wanted to say that opposite to the mg, is the friction and the inertial force of the flywheel, but I am not familiar with calculations of the inertial force.

Any idea?
 
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physea said:
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For this problem, I don't understand how can the system be at rest and immediately after placing the mass, to move with constant speed. But anyways, can you tell me please how to proceed?

On the hanging mass, there is mg acting and T the tension of the rope. On the flywheel, the tension of the rope is acting and the friction of the bearings.

I have no clue what the tension of the rope is. I wanted to say that opposite to the mg, is the friction and the inertial force of the flywheel, but I am not familiar with calculations of the inertial force.

Any idea?
I would not be concerned about the ' initially at rest ' phrase.

If the 0.25kg hanging mass has constant velocity, then what is the net force on this mass ? The answer to this should give you the tension for this case.

That should get you started.
 
physea said:
I don't understand how can the system be at rest and immediately after placing the mass, to move with constant speed.
Can you understand how a box may be at rest on a horizontal floor, yet when pushed with a constant horizontal force F moves at constant velocity?
 
haruspex said:
Can you understand how a box may be at rest on a horizontal floor, yet when pushed with a constant horizontal force F moves at constant velocity?

OK got it. But the tricky bit is what happens during the time that speed is zero and the very next moment is some constant value. I thought that in order to attain that constant speed, there must be an acceleration. It may indeed be within fractions of second, but in that time, dV/dt is not zero, it has some value! Anyway, as for the problem, the friction cancels the effect of the weight. But do I have to calculate them as torques? because I don't know if the friction is exerted at the same line as the weight of the falling mass
 
physea said:
what happens during the time that speed is zero and the very next moment is some constant value
You are right that there is a small question of how the motion gets started. You have to assume it was given some nudge to get it moving.
Otherwise, if you steadily increase the force until motion starts it will switch from static to the lower kinetic friction and therefore accelerate.
physea said:
do I have to calculate them as torques? because I don't know if the friction is exerted at the same line as the weight of the falling mass
The friction consists of a torque at the axle.
 

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