How Does a Hot Wire Ammeter Achieve Thermal Equilibrium?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the operation of a hot wire ammeter, specifically how it achieves thermal equilibrium. Participants explore the relationship between heat generation and heat radiation in the context of measuring electrical current, particularly in AC circuits.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the phrase regarding heat balance in the hot wire ammeter, questioning the meaning of heat generation equaling heat radiation.
  • Another participant explains that this balance implies the temperature of the wire stops changing, linking it to the concept of thermal equilibrium.
  • Several participants express interest in the hot wire ammeter, noting its clever design and relative obscurity in current educational materials.
  • It is mentioned that the heat generated in the wire is proportional to the square of the RMS current, which is suggested as a principle for calibrating hot wire meters.
  • Participants discuss the preference for moving iron type meters over hot wire meters for measuring AC quantities, indicating a shift in measurement technology.
  • There is confusion expressed regarding the distinction between heat generated and heat radiated, with uncertainty about how equilibrium is achieved in the context of wire expansion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principles of heat generation and the relevance of the hot wire ammeter in measuring AC current. However, there is uncertainty regarding the specifics of thermal equilibrium and the implications of heat generation versus heat radiation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note a lack of comprehensive explanations about hot wire ammeters in educational resources, which may limit understanding of their operation and calibration.

Samar A
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In my textbook it says:"in the hot-wire ammeter
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the pointer stands at a definite reading when the temperature of platinum-iridium becomes constant and the wire stops expanding. That is achieved when the rate of heat radiated by the platinum-iridium wire becomes equal to the rate of heat generated in it."
I actually don't understand the phrase: "the rate of heat radiated by the platinum-iridium wire becomes equal to the rate of heat generated in it" could you please clarify it for me?
 
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Samar A said:
actually don't understand the phrase: "the rate of heat radiated by the platinum-iridium wire becomes equal to the rate of heat generated in it" could you please clarify it for me?
It is really the same thing as saying that the temperature stops changing.

##I^2 R## losses generate heat in the wire. The hot wire looses heat to the air around it. When the two are not balanced, temperature changes.
 
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Interesting. I had not seen the hot wire ammeter mentioned anywhere for many many years. I always thought it was a clever setup in an as-simple-as-possible way.
 
Averagesupernova said:
Interesting. I had not seen the hot wire ammeter mentioned anywhere for many many years. I always thought it was a clever setup in an as-simple-as-possible way.
We study AC circuits in our physics assignment this year, and we studied how the moving coil ammeter works to measure the intensity of the DC, but it couldn't measure it for an AC, so we should know about the hot-wire ammeter.
I noticed the same too while searching on the internet. The hot wire ammeter is not mentioned so much, and there aren't a lot of explanations about how it works.
 
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Samar A said:
We study AC circuits in our physics topics this year, and we studied how the moving coil ammeter works to measure the intensity of the DC, but it couldn't measure it for an AC, so we should know about the hot-wire ammeter.
I noticed the same too while searching on the internet. The hot wire ammeter is not mentioned so much, and there aren't a lot of explanations about how it works.
The amount of heat generated in the wire in a particular time is proportional to the square the rms current through it. I think this is the principle used while calibrating hot wire meters. RMS value is also called as 'heating' value.

You will study moving iron type meters where the driving torque is proportional to the square of the current. They are preferred over hot wire meters now-a-days for measurement of ac quantities
 
cnh1995 said:
The amount of heat generated in the wire in a particular time is proportional to the square the rms current through it. I think this is the principle used while calibrating hot wire meters. RMS value is also called as 'heating' value.
Yes, exactly, that is the principle used. But what confused me is that there is a heat generated and a heat radiated. I don't know if there will be an equilibrium so that the wire stops expanding or what it meant by saying that the rate of heat generated becomes equal to the rate of heat radiated.
cnh1995 said:
You will study moving iron type meters where the driving torque is proportional to the square of the current. They also are used for measurement of ac quantities.
That seems interesting I didn't know about this instrument yet, but looking forward to know about it in the future, anyway.
 

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