How Does a Magnet's Position Change Over Time When Falling Near an Iron Wall?

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a magnet falling near an iron wall, specifically focusing on the motion of the magnet as it experiences gravitational acceleration and the influence of the wall's magnetic field. The scope includes mathematical modeling and analysis of the motion over time.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a solution for the position of the magnet as a function of time, considering both gravitational and magnetic influences.
  • Another participant suggests that the motion can be described as uniformly accelerated in both vertical and horizontal directions.
  • A different participant proposes that the vertical position has a uniform negative second derivative, while the horizontal position has a uniform positive third derivative, indicating a complex relationship between the forces acting on the magnet.
  • A subsequent reply corrects an earlier statement about the derivatives, clarifying that the horizontal position indeed has a uniform third derivative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mathematical representation of the magnet's motion, with no consensus reached on the exact nature of the derivatives involved in the motion equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the forces acting on the magnet and the nature of the wall's influence, which remain unresolved. The mathematical relationships proposed depend on specific definitions and conditions that are not fully articulated.

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I posted this in general math, but then I saw that calculus and analysis was a more appropriate place for it. I am looking for a solution to this problem:

When a magnet is dropped from rest near an iron wall, it accelerates downward due to gravity at constant acceleration. It also accelerates toward the wall, and the closer it gets to the wall, the greater the acceleration. Can anyone refer me to a solution that would give the position of the magnet as a function of time?
 
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It would just be a uniformly accelerated motion in each of the directions, no? One direction would be the vertical one due to gravity, the other would be normal to the wall (horizontal if the wall is vertical).
 
Looks to me like the vertical position would have a uniform negative second derivative, and the horizontal position would have a uniform positive third derivative, perhaps?

i.e.

x=\frac{1}{6}kt^{3}+\frac{1}{2}a_{0}t^{2}+v_{0}t+x_{0}

where k is the constant third derivative
 
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Oops, my bad, bowma is right, the horizontal position would have a uniform third derivate, not uniform second derivate:P
 

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