How does a vacuum pump push gas out of a container?

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The discussion centers on the mechanics of how a vacuum pump operates to remove gas from a container, specifically focusing on the process of reducing gas volume and achieving low vacuum levels. It encompasses theoretical explanations, practical applications, and various methods employed in vacuum technology.

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  • One participant explains that a vacuum pump reduces the amount of gas in a container by using a piston to increase the volume of the combined system, allowing gas to rush from the container into the pump barrel.
  • Another participant notes that it is impossible to remove all gas from a container, as the process can only asymptotically approach a vacuum due to physical constraints.
  • A different perspective is introduced regarding low vacuum techniques, where methods like the 'Getter' system and Diffusion Pump are described as 'pushing' remaining gas molecules out of the system.
  • One participant provides links to external resources discussing different types of gas flow characteristics relevant to vacuum generation, including Viscous Flow, Transition Flow, and Molecular Flow.

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Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and mechanics of vacuum pumps, particularly regarding the limits of gas removal and the methods used at low vacuum levels. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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Participants mention various methods and systems without fully resolving the implications of different vacuum technologies or the specific conditions under which they operate effectively.

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Precisely how does a vacuum pump take the gas, let's just assume air, out of a container?
 
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It can't take all the gas out. What it does is reduce the amount of gas in there. It does it by using a piston to enlarge the combined volume of the container plus the pump barrel without admitting any extra gas. The pressure equalises by gas rushing out of the container into the barrel. As the piston returns to the closed position, a valve between the container and the piston barrel prevents air in the piston barrel from re-entering the container, and a valve in the piston barrel then makes the gas in the barrel go out to the atmosphere.
If the open barrel has the same volume as the container, then every time the piston is pulled out, the amount of gas in the container is halved.
So it is never possible to remove all the gas from the container. It can only asymptotically approach vacuum, and physical constraints set a limit on how closely it can approach.
 
When you get down to very low vacuum, the methods of reducing pressure further are a bit more like ' pushing'. The 'Getter' system, used in old CRTs uses a reactive metal pellet that's vaporised by RF heating. The vapour passes through the (already low) vacuum, at speed and sweeps (pushes) the few remaining molecules across the tube and they get stuck permanently on the inside of the glass envelope. A Diffusion Pump does a similar thing by passing a fine stream of Oil particles through the vacuum, which sweeps away most of -what's left from the conventional pump (again, pushing remaining rubbish away). None of the low pressure systems will work until a conventional pump (suction style) has reduced the pressure to a pretty low value
 

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