How Does Adding π/2 Affect the Sign of Tan and Cot in Trigonometry?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of adding π/2 to angles in trigonometric functions, specifically focusing on the tangent and cotangent functions. Participants explore how this addition influences the signs of these functions across different quadrants, addressing both theoretical and practical implications in problem-solving.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the transformation of tan(120°) using the identity tan(90 + α) = -cot(α), noting that this applies under the condition that α < 90 degrees.
  • There is a concern about how to apply this identity when the angle x in tan(2x) could be greater than or less than 90 degrees, leading to confusion about the sign of the resulting function.
  • One participant suggests using reference angles to determine the signs of sine and cosine when evaluating tangent in different quadrants.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of sticking to radians and discusses the relationship between cotangent and tangent through the identity -cot(x + π/3) = tan(π/2 + x + π/3), asserting that this holds regardless of the quadrant.
  • Concerns are raised about how the quadrant of x + π/3 affects the sign of cotangent when π/2 is added, leading to potential contradictions in expected outcomes.
  • Some participants agree that the value of x is crucial in determining the signs of the trigonometric functions, particularly when analyzing angles in different quadrants.
  • It is noted that in each quadrant, tangent and cotangent maintain the same sign, but they change as one moves through the quadrants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the implications of adding π/2 to angles, with some agreeing on the importance of quadrant analysis while others highlight the complexity and potential contradictions that arise. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to handle these transformations without clear quadrant information.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the significance of reference angles and the unit circle in understanding the behavior of trigonometric functions across quadrants. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify assumptions about angle measures (degrees vs. radians) and the implications of quadrant positioning on function signs.

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When we are given a problem to find the value of say tan(120 °), I was instructed to proceed by
tan( 90*1 +30), which lies in the second quadrant and tan is negative in the second quadrant , plus odd multiple of 90 so it becomes -cot(30). Hence tan (90+α)= -cotα. But this works only because we know that α <90.If α>=90 we could just write it as tan ( 90*2+β) and the value would change accordingly.
Keeping this in mind, what if i am with a problem like tan2x= -cot(x+π/3). My goal is to convert the LHS to a tan function. Using tan (90+α)= -cotα (that's what my teacher did) we can write tan2x= tan(π/2+x+π/3) and continue solving. But how can we use the above method without knowing if x >90 or<90? really confused
 
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takando12 said:
When we are given a problem to find the value of say tan(120 °), I was instructed to proceed by
tan( 90*1 +30), which lies in the second quadrant and tan is negative in the second quadrant , plus odd multiple of 90 so it becomes -cot(30). Hence tan (90+α)= -cotα. But this works only because we know that α <90.If α>=90 we could just write it as tan ( 90*2+β) and the value would change accordingly.
Keeping this in mind, what if i am with a problem like tan2x= -cot(x+π/3). My goal is to convert the LHS to a tan function. Using tan (90+α)= -cotα (that's what my teacher did) we can write tan2x= tan(π/2+x+π/3) and continue solving. But how can we use the above method without knowing if x >90 or<90? really confused
You can use how the angle relates to some reference angle in the first quadrant.
120 degrees is in quadrant 2. Same sine as if 90-(120-90)=60 degrees. Cosine OPPOSITE in sign than for 60 degrees.
Meaning: tan(120)=sin(60)/(-cos(60)).
 
takando12 said:
When we are given a problem to find the value of say tan(120 °), I was instructed to proceed by
tan( 90*1 +30), which lies in the second quadrant and tan is negative in the second quadrant , plus odd multiple of 90 so it becomes -cot(30). Hence tan (90+α)= -cotα. But this works only because we know that α <90.If α>=90 we could just write it as tan ( 90*2+β) and the value would change accordingly.
Keeping this in mind, what if i am with a problem like tan2x= -cot(x+π/3). My goal is to convert the LHS to a tan function. Using tan (90+α)= -cotα (that's what my teacher did) we can write tan2x= tan(π/2+x+π/3) and continue solving. But how can we use the above method without knowing if x >90 or<90? really confused
(I think you meant RHS, Right Hand Side).

It's usually not a good idea to mix radian measure and degree measure. I'll stick to radians in my reply.

The trig function of any angle is equal to the corresponding co-function of π/2 minus that angle. This is true for any angle in any quadrant.

In your example, that gives -cot(x + π/3) = -tan( π/2 - (x + π/3) ) .

Tangent is an odd function so that -tan( π/2 - (x + π/3) ) = tan( -π/2 + (x + π/3) ) .

The tangent function has a period of π, so this gives the same final result you have..

-cot(x+π/3) = tan( π/2 + x + π/3 ) no matter what the quadrant of x .

Added in Edit:
Your general conjecture is also true, no matter the quadrant of α.

tan(π/2 + α) = cot(π/2 - (π/2 + α)) = cot(-α) = -cot(α) .
 
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If suppose x+π/3 lies in the first quadrant, then adding π/2 to it will make cot negative and the RHS would become positive.
But if x+π/3 was lying in another quadrant like the second quadrant, then adding π/2 to it will make cot positive and the RHS would remain negative which is what I don't want. Doesn't the value of x matter?
 
takando12 said:
If suppose x+π/3 lies in the first quadrant, then adding π/2 to it will make cot negative and the RHS would become positive.
But if x+π/3 was lying in another quadrant like the second quadrant, then adding π/2 to it will make cot positive and the RHS would remain negative which is what I don't want. Doesn't the value of x matter?
Certainly the value of x is important. In your example of the first post, you have 120 degrees, or pi/2+pi/3. Use the Unit Circle to cut through the worded discussion and your intuition should help in analyzing that. You can then focus on the sines and cosines, and decide which reference angle in quadrant 1 to use.
 
takando12 said:
If suppose x+π/3 lies in the first quadrant, then adding π/2 to it will make cot negative and the RHS would become positive.
But if x+π/3 was lying in another quadrant like the second quadrant, then adding π/2 to it will make cot positive and the RHS would remain negative which is what I don't want. Doesn't the value of x matter?
In each quadrant, tan and cot have the same sign.

As you add π/2 , you go to the next higher quadrant.

The tan & cot change sign as you rotate through the quadrants.
 
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