How Does Amplitude Influence a Pendulum's Period?

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The discussion revolves around the influence of amplitude on the period of a pendulum, particularly focusing on when amplitude starts to have a noticeable effect. Participants are exploring the relationship between amplitude and period in the context of pendulum motion and simple harmonic motion (SHM).

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  • Participants are questioning the conditions under which amplitude affects the period of a pendulum, particularly the threshold of angle size. There are inquiries about the validity of equations used for pendulum motion and the implications of idealized models. One participant expresses confusion regarding the concept of sine and its relevance to the discussion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights about the idealization of pendulum equations and the impact of angle size on the accuracy of these equations. There is a lack of consensus on the specific angle thresholds and the details of the equations referenced, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Some participants mention that they have not yet learned about simple harmonic motion, which may limit their understanding of the concepts being discussed. There is also a focus on the differences between sine values and their linear approximations for varying angles.

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when does amplitude start affecting the period of the pendulum?

I know large amplitudes do.. and I've tried looking it up but none of the equations out there make sense.. :S
 
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The equations for a pendulum are idealized, meaning that a pendulum does not exactly follow simple harmonic motion. The idealization is this: somewhere in the equations, sin(theta) is simply referred to as theta, which is relatively valid for small angles of theta (the difference between sin(x) and x for small x is negligible...the difference becomes noticeable for larger values of x, which is why the SHM equations for the pendulum bring in more discrepant values for larger angles).
 
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The equations for a pendulum are idealized, meaning that a pendulum does not exactly follow simple harmonic motion. The idealization is this: somewhere in the equations, sin(theta) is simply referred to as theta, which can be taken to be true for small angles of theta (the difference between sin(x) and x for small x is negligible...the difference becomes noticeable for larger values of x, which is why the SHM equations for the pendulum bring in more discrepant values for larger angles).


We havn't learned ANYTHING about simple harmonic motion yet :S
.. how large do these angles have to be until we notice the "descrepant values"
and what equations are you referring to :S
 
oh...so you haven't learned much on SHM yet...
well...to give you an example of how large the angles have to be, go ahead and do this:
Find the difference between sin(x) and x for: x=.01, .1, .2, 1.0, and 2.0. You'll notice that as the values grow larger, the difference becomes larger (more noticeable). The larger the difference, the more effect the amplitude will have on the period of the pendulum; the smaller the difference, the less effect it has. So, technically the amplitude affects the period at all angles...the effect becomes more noticeable as the angles grow larger.
 
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I risk sounding stupid

what is sin(x) and what does it represent?1
 

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