How Does an Analysis Magnet Separate He2+ and He+ Ions?

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The discussion focuses on the separation of He2+ and He+ ions using a tandem accelerator and an analysis magnet. It establishes that He2+ ions, having a higher charge, experience a greater force according to the equation F = qvB, resulting in a smaller radius of curvature compared to He+ ions when subjected to the same magnetic field. The participant concludes that the higher charge leads to a more pronounced bending effect, contradicting initial assumptions about energy and radius. The analysis emphasizes the relationship between charge, velocity, and radius in ion separation.

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Homework Statement



I have a source producing ions of He: He2+ and He+, they are accelerated towards a tandem accelerator, se atteched figure. They are accelerated with a voltage towards the first magnet, were a selection of the ions are made. We only want the He2+ ions the proceed to the tandem accelerator.

Show how this is done in the first analysis magnet.

answer according to my teacher:
the He2+ will get higher energy and therefore less bent, larger radius, then the He+ ions.

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But according to this, I found that is the opposite, becase F= qvB and the bigger charge, the more force, and hence smaller radius.

|F| = qvB \Rightarrow r = \frac{mv}{qB}

m and B is the (practically) same for all, I have He+ and He2+ ions. T is kinetical energy.

|F| = qvB \Rightarrow r = \frac{mv}{qB}r\propto \frac{v}{q}U=T=qV = mc^{2} \Rightarrow v=c\sqrt{1-\left( \frac{mc^{2}}{qV+mc^{2}}\right) ^{2}}}<br />Ratio for radius of He2+ and He+ "r(2q)/r(q)"

gives me that He2+ has smaller radius than He+ if they are accelerated with the same potential V and is bent i same magnetiv field.

Non-relativistic gives me:

r\propto \frac{v}{q} v=\sqrt{\frac{2qV}{m}} r\propto \frac{\sqrt{\frac{2qV}{m}}}{q} = \frac{constant}{\sqrt{q}}

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And yeah, this last also show that the higher q, the smaller r, and the ion is more bent.

And the attachemt is here too.
 

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should be:

|F| = qvB \Rightarrow r = \frac{mv}{qB}<br /> <br /> r\propto \frac{v}{q} \\<br /> <br /> U=T=qV = mc^{2}(\gamma -1) \Rightarrow v=c\sqrt{1-\left( \frac{mc^{2}}{qV+mc^{2}}\right) ^{2}}}<br />
 

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