How Does an Asteroid's Speed Change Upon Impact with Mars?

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The discussion revolves around the change in an asteroid's speed upon impacting Mars, particularly focusing on the gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy involved in the process. Participants explore the implications of a "very far" radius on calculations related to mechanical energy and impact velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question how to calculate the total mechanical energy and final velocity without a defined radius. Some suggest using the gravitational potential energy formula, while others express confusion about the implications of an infinite radius on potential energy and impact speed.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on the calculations involved. Some have proposed using escape velocity and discussed the relationship between gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants are grappling with the assumption of a "very far" radius and its effect on potential energy calculations, as well as the implications of negative gravitational potential energy upon impact with Mars.

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Homework Statement
A small asteroid of mass m = 1.50 × 10^13 kg collides with the planet Mars. The speed of the asteroid when it was very far from the planet was 3.60 × 10^3 m/s. Given that Mars has a mass M = 6.42 × 10^23 kg and a radius R = 3.39 × 10^6 m, and that the gravitational constant G = 6.67 × 10^−11 Nm^2/kg^2 the speed at which the asteroid impacts the Martian surface is:
A) 8.63 × 103 m/s.
B) 4.29 × 103 m/s.
C) 6.18 × 103 m/s.
D) 7.15 × 103 m/s.
Relevant Equations
u=-GMm/r
k = mv^2/2
Since the radius is "very far", I cannot find the total mechanical energy by using the gravitational potential energy formula and find the kinetic energy at impact. I can't think of any other way to find final velocity without knowing the radius.
 
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Tom4 said:
Since the radius is "very far", I cannot find the total mechanical energy by using the gravitational potential energy formula
You can. Try it.
 
haruspex said:
You can. Try it.
Well the potential energy would be 0 since I assume they mean the radius is infinite. But that doesn't make sense because it eventually impacts mars at a different speed. Right?
 
Solved:
##v^2 = v^2_i + v^2_f##
##v = \sqrt {v^2_i + v^2_f}##
Using escape velocity formula ##v = \sqrt \frac {2GM} {R}## for final velocity:
##v = \sqrt {v^2_i + \frac {2GM} {R}}##
v = 6180 meters per second
 
Tom4 said:
Solved:
##v^2 = v^2_i + v^2_f##
##v = \sqrt {v^2_i + v^2_f}##
Using escape velocity formula ##v = \sqrt \frac {2GM} {R}## for final velocity:
##v = \sqrt {v^2_i + \frac {2GM} {R}}##
v = 6180 meters per second
An odd way to do things but I think that gives the correct answer. If the initial distance is large then the initial GPE is zero then you can calculate the GPE at the surface and get the loss of GPE hence increase in KE.

Alternatively, just use a very large number for initial radius.
 
So ##\Delta U = \Delta KE##
Makes sense when you put it like that, thanks.
 
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Tom4 said:
So ##\Delta U = \Delta KE##
Makes sense when you put it like that, thanks.
In terms of magnitudes, yes. Or ##-\Delta U = \Delta KE## to be precise.

Which means, of course ##\Delta U + \Delta KE = 0##
 
Tom4 said:
Well the potential energy would be 0 since I assume they mean the radius is infinite. But that doesn't make sense because it eventually impacts mars at a different speed. Right?
Why doesn’t it make sense? Remember that when it hits Mars its GPE will be negative.
 

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