How Does Antisymmetry Define Electron States in Quantum Chemistry?

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The discussion revolves around the role of antisymmetry in defining electron states within the context of quantum chemistry, particularly focusing on the helium atom. Participants explore the implications of different wave function forms, including symmetric and antisymmetric states, and the relevance of spin states in this framework.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Sakurai's work, suggesting that the most general form of a two-electron state is a combination of symmetric or antisymmetric wave functions with singlet or triplet states.
  • Another participant agrees that the proposed antisymmetric state is a valid representation, despite concerns about its exclusion from Sakurai's description.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of discussing helium solely in terms of spin-singlet and spin-triplet states, questioning the utility of this basis.
  • A participant notes that when spin-orbit coupling is negligible, using a basis of eigenstates of spin simplifies the problem of finding eigenstates of the Hamiltonian.
  • One participant emphasizes the practicality of the discussed basis in describing chemistry, asserting that it is widely accepted among chemists, even in complex systems like correlated systems and DFT methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the completeness of the spin-singlet and spin-triplet basis for describing electron states. While some support the validity of the proposed antisymmetric state, others question its exclusion from established frameworks, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the completeness of the basis used for electron states and the implications of time-dependent states. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the utility and limitations of the antisymmetric wave function in quantum chemistry.

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Let's say a two electron state for Helium atom, I've seen author (Sakurai, Modern QM,section 6.4) wrote [tex]\Phi ({x_1},{x_2})\chi[/tex] as the most general form, where [tex]\Phi ({x_1},{x_2})[/tex] is either a symmetric or antisymmetric wave function, and [tex]\chi[/tex] is the singlet or triplet state respectively. But how about this kinda state:
[tex]{\psi _a}({x_1}){\psi _b}({x_2})| \uparrow \downarrow > - {\psi _a}({x_2}){\psi _b}({x_1})| \downarrow \uparrow >[/tex]
It's also antisymmetric, so isn't it also a possible state?
 
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It's hard to believe but I came up against exactly the same problem just this morning. I wasn't doing the helium atom but I had the same problem.

The state you've written can also be written as the superposition of Sakurai's states, but oddly enough if you've quoted him correctly he doesn't allow that: you quote his as saying the most general state is of type such and such, not superpositions of such states.

I'm pretty sure your example must also be a legal state.
 
I agree, it's just that all books I've read discussed Helium in terms of spin-singlet and spin-triplet state, I just don't see what's really nice about this basis.
 
As long as spin orbit coupling is negligible (as is certainly the case in He), the spin and the hamiltonian have a common basis. So it makes good sense to use an basis of eigenstates of the spin. Half of the problem of finding the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian is then already solved. A more general state will be time dependent and is therefore usually not of the same interest.
 
It's a fair enough reason, thanks.
 
We've managed to describe almost all chemistry in terms of that basis, so I'd say it's pretty useful.
You'd have difficulty finding a chemist who doesn't think in terms of doubly-occupied spatial orbitals.

Quantum chem isn't an exception here either, even when dealing with correlated systems and DFT methods,
the general way of looking at stuff is in terms of how the various Slater determinants contribute in this basis.
 

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