What is the Slater determinant of a singlet or a triplet?

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The discussion centers around the construction of Slater determinants for a system of two identical fermions with spin-1/2, specifically focusing on how to represent singlet and triplet states within this framework. The participants explore the implications of the total wavefunction needing to be antisymmetric and the relationship between spatial and spin wavefunctions.

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  • One participant presents a Hamiltonian for two particles and questions how to construct the total wavefunction as a Slater determinant when combining spatial and spin components.
  • Another participant suggests that singlet and triplet states are degenerate for independent particles, allowing for the construction of Slater determinants from them.
  • Some participants clarify that since the particles are identical fermions, the total state must be antisymmetric, and they discuss the representation of spin states using irreducible representations of the rotation group.
  • There is a reiteration of the antisymmetrization requirement for the total wavefunction and the relationship between momentum and spin states.
  • One participant expresses a desire to know if a basis can be constructed using Slater determinants of single-particle spin-orbitals.
  • A later reply indicates that each Slater determinant can be expressed as a superposition of the singlet and triplet states, noting the degeneracy of these states.

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Participants generally agree on the need for antisymmetry in the total wavefunction for identical fermions, but there are multiple competing views on how to construct the Slater determinants and the implications of using singlet and triplet states.

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The discussion involves complex representations of spin states and their combinations, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about the particles involved. The mathematical steps for constructing the Slater determinants and the implications of degeneracy remain unresolved.

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We have a system of 2 particles, let's say with following hamiltonian:

$$\hat{H} = -\frac{\hbar^2\hat{\nabla}_1^2}{2m} -\frac{\hbar^2\hat{\nabla}_2^2}{2m} $$

The eigenstates are often represented as (spatial wavefunction)*(spin wavefunction), where the spin wavefunction is a singlet or a triplet. However the particle are independent. So the total wavefunction (position*spin) must be written as a Slater determinant of single-particle eigenstates. But I can't find such states!

For example, combining a(x)|\uparrow\rangle and b(x)|\downarrow\rangle I get a(x_1)b(x_2)|\uparrow\downarrow\rangle - b(x_1)a(x_2)|\downarrow\uparrow\rangle.

So how can I get the true eigenstates, namely (spatial part)*(spin part), where if one part is symmetric the other is antisymmetric?
 
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Singlet and triplet are degenerate when the particles are independent, so you could construct also two degenerate Slater deteminants from them.
 
You mean that the particles are identical and fermions of spin 1/2. Then the total state must be antisymmetric. Let's take momentum-spin eigenstates (which exist in non-relativistic quantum theory, because the spin operators commute with momentum). Then the two-particle basis can be given in terms of irreducible representations of the rotation group wrt. spin. The Kronecker product of two spin-1/2 representations reduce to spin 0 (singlet) und spin 1 (triplet). The former are the antisymmetrized and symmetrized product states, respectively:
$$|s=0,\sigma=0 \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} |s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle - |s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle,$$
$$|s=1,\sigma=1 \rangle=|s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle, \quad |s=1,\sigma=0 \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} |s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle +|s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle, \quad |s=1,\sigma=-1 \rangle=|s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle.$$
Further you can write the basis as a product of the momentum (orbital) part and the spin part. Since you have fermions, your basis in terms of proper total spin is
$$|\vec{p}_1,\vec{p}_2,s=0,\sigma=0 \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} (|\vec{p}_1 \rangle \otimes \vec{p}_2 \rangle + |\vec{p}_2 \rangle \otimes \vec{p}_1 \rangle) \otimes |s=0,\sigma=0 \rangle,$$
$$|\vec{p}_1,\vec{p}_2,s=1 \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} (|\vec{p}_1 \rangle \otimes \vec{p}_2 \rangle -|\vec{p}_2 \rangle \otimes \vec{p}_1 \rangle) \otimes |s=1,\sigma \rangle, \quad \sigma \in \{-1,0,1 \}.$$
 
vanhees71 said:
You mean that the particles are identical and fermions of spin 1/2. Then the total state must be antisymmetric. Let's take momentum-spin eigenstates (which exist in non-relativistic quantum theory, because the spin operators commute with momentum). Then the two-particle basis can be given in terms of irreducible representations of the rotation group wrt. spin. The Kronecker product of two spin-1/2 representations reduce to spin 0 (singlet) und spin 1 (triplet). The former are the antisymmetrized and symmetrized product states, respectively:
$$|s=0,\sigma=0 \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} |s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle - |s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle,$$
$$|s=1,\sigma=1 \rangle=|s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle, \quad |s=1,\sigma=0 \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} |s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle +|s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=1/2 \rangle, \quad |s=1,\sigma=-1 \rangle=|s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle \otimes |s=1/2,\sigma=-1/2 \rangle.$$
Further you can write the basis as a product of the momentum (orbital) part and the spin part. Since you have fermions, your basis in terms of proper total spin is
$$|\vec{p}_1,\vec{p}_2,s=0,\sigma=0 \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} (|\vec{p}_1 \rangle \otimes \vec{p}_2 \rangle + |\vec{p}_2 \rangle \otimes \vec{p}_1 \rangle) \otimes |s=0,\sigma=0 \rangle,$$
$$|\vec{p}_1,\vec{p}_2,s=1 \rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} (|\vec{p}_1 \rangle \otimes \vec{p}_2 \rangle -|\vec{p}_2 \rangle \otimes \vec{p}_1 \rangle) \otimes |s=1,\sigma \rangle, \quad \sigma \in \{-1,0,1 \}.$$
Thanks, but my question is if such a basis can be constructed by Slater determinants of single-particle spin-orbitals
 
Using a somewhat terser notation, each of the two possible slater determinants can be written as a 50-50 superposition of the singlet and triplet state (and vice versa):
abud-badu=((ab-ba)(ud+du)+(ab+ba)(ud-du))/2
abdu-baud=((ab-ba)(ud+du)-(ab+ba)(ud-du))/2

As these states are all degenerate, you may use either the Slater determinants or the spin eigenfunctions.
 

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