Angular momentum of identical particles

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The discussion revolves around the symmetry properties of multiplets formed by combining the spin states of identical particles, particularly focusing on the implications of different spin values and particle numbers. It explores theoretical aspects of angular momentum and the conditions under which certain symmetries apply to the wavefunctions of identical particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that for N=2 and specific spin values (s=1/2 or 1), the symmetry of multiplets is well-defined, with triplets being symmetric and singlets antisymmetric.
  • Others question how these symmetry properties extend to different spin values and particle numbers, particularly for N > 2, suggesting that mixed symmetry representations exist.
  • One participant notes that for N > 2, the symmetric group SN allows for representations that are neither purely symmetric nor antisymmetric, leading to mixed symmetry states.
  • There is a query about whether mixed symmetry multiplets can represent states of identical particles, given that they do not adhere to the antisymmetry requirement under particle exchange.
  • Another participant clarifies that while mixed symmetry can exist in the spin part of the wavefunction, the overall wavefunction for identical particles must remain symmetric or antisymmetric, depending on the combination of spin and spatial parts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of mixed symmetry states to identical particles, with some suggesting that such states cannot exist for identical particles, while others propose that the overall wavefunction's symmetry can still be maintained through appropriate combinations of spin and spatial components.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of symmetry in quantum states, particularly the need to consider both spin and spatial components in the context of identical particles. There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of mixed symmetry for particle states.

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Researchers and students interested in quantum mechanics, particularly in the areas of angular momentum, particle statistics, and the behavior of identical particles in quantum systems.

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When combining N spin 's' states, is it always true that each multiplet has even or odd symmetry?

I know that's the case for N=2 and s=1/2 or 1. For s=1/2, the triplet is symmetric and the singlet is antisymmetric. For s=1, the pentlet is symmetric, the triplet antisymmetric, and the singlet symmetric. But what about different s's and different N's?

Also, I'm a bit confused about terminology. If you have a 2-neutron bound state whose total spin is zero, that means it's antisymmetric in the spins, so it must be symmetric in orbital angular momentum, i.e., Y^{m1}_{l1}(x_1)Y^{m2}_{l2}(x_2) +Y^{m1}_{l1}(x_2)Y^{m2}_{l2}(x_1). Under parity, due to a property of spherical harmonics, the orbital part changes by just a factor $$(-1)^{l_1+l_2}$$.

However, I'm trying to make sense of the statement that if you have a 2-neutron bound state whose total spin is zero, that means it's antisymmetric in the spins, but must have an even total orbital angular momentum. Is that true? $$l_1+l_2$$ could be odd, but the total L could be even by taking the multiplet $$l_1+l_2-1$$ rather than highest multiplet as your total.
 
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geoduck said:
When combining N spin 's' states, is it always true that each multiplet has even or odd symmetry?

I know that's the case for N=2 and s=1/2 or 1. For s=1/2, the triplet is symmetric and the singlet is antisymmetric. For s=1, the pentlet is symmetric, the triplet antisymmetric, and the singlet symmetric. But what about different s's and different N's?
For two objects the only possible symmetries are "even" (symmetric) and "odd" (antisymmetric). But when N > 2 there are other possibilities. Each permutation of the N objects can be considered a group operation, and the group of all permutations on N objects is called the Symmetric Group SN. For example for N = 3 there are 6 possible permutations. In general there are N! When you talk about the symmetry possessed by a set of objects, you are talking about a representation of SN.

SN always has a representation which is totally symmetric, in which for example ψ(1,2,3) = ψ(2,1,3) and so on. And for N >1 there's a representation which is totally antisymmetric, in which ψ(1,2,3) = - ψ(2,1,3). But for N > 2 there are other representations as well, generally called mixed symmetry, in which neither relationship holds, and ψ(1,2,3) and ψ(2,1,3) are linearly independent.

This is discussed in many places, but usually in a rather abstract framework. Here's one paper which tries to be concrete. See especially his Example 3.2.
 
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Thanks. Does this mean that multiplets corresponding to mixed symmetry can never be states for identical particles, since they do not change by factors of -1 under exchange? So mixed symmetry only applies do distinct particles?
 
geoduck said:
Thanks. Does this mean that multiplets corresponding to mixed symmetry can never be states for identical particles, since they do not change by factors of -1 under exchange? So mixed symmetry only applies do distinct particles?
Typically the particles' wavefunction will have several parts: a spin part, a space part, maybe other things like color, etc. For identical particles it's the complete wavefunction that must be symmetric or antisymmetric. So the spin part of the wavefunction can have mixed symmetry provided that the space part does also, and provided that their combination (tensor product) comes out right.
 

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