How Does Atmospheric Pressure Affect Hydrostatic Calculations in Tank Design?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of atmospheric pressure on hydrostatic calculations in the design of tanks, specifically addressing how to account for pressures in stress calculations for tanks filled with water. The scope includes theoretical considerations and practical applications in engineering design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the hydrostatic pressure at the bottom of a 2m tank filled with water to be 0.2 bar and questions whether atmospheric pressure should be included in stress calculations.
  • Another participant asserts that pressure cannot be less than atmospheric pressure, suggesting that the total pressure must account for both atmospheric and hydrostatic pressures.
  • A subsequent reply seeks clarification on whether the initial hydrostatic pressure calculation is incorrect and confirms the need to include both pressures for stress calculations.
  • A different perspective is introduced regarding an empty tank, stating that atmospheric pressure contributes to stress calculations only if the tank is resting on an evacuated space.
  • One participant mentions that if the tank is placed on a flat surface, atmospheric pressure should be considered in conjunction with hydrostatic pressure for stress calculations.
  • Another participant elaborates that the maximum pressure on the tank's bottom plate would be the sum of the hydrostatic pressure and atmospheric pressure, totaling 1.2 bar.
  • There are requests for resources on rectangular tank design and references to relevant literature for further understanding of stress distribution in tank design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of including atmospheric pressure in stress calculations, with some asserting it must be included while others suggest it may not apply in certain scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which atmospheric pressure should be considered.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the tank's placement and the effects of atmospheric pressure, as well as the varying definitions of when atmospheric pressure should be included in calculations.

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Dear guys,

I got a common doubt regarding the pressure at the bottom of a open tank filled with water.

1) Assume a tank of 2m height, filled with water. So the hydrostatic pressure at the bottom of the tank will be 0.2 bar(rho*g*h). Wondering! it is less then atmospheric pressure(1 bar).

2) So do i need to include the atmospheric pressure for my stress calculation, which is 4 times greater than the hydrostatic pressure.
 
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The pressure cannot be less than atmosphere, because this physically does not make sense. There is pressure due to atmosphere above the tank, and there is pressure due to the water in the tank. The only result is more pressure than atmosphere alone.
 
Hi Cyrus,

Thanks for the reply.

1) So you mean that the 0.2 bar is wrong answer??

2) then we need to take atmospheric + hydrostatic pressure for stress calculations.
 
Consider the case where the tank is empty. The load for stress calculations is the self weight of the tank bottom... plus atmospheric pressure ONLY IF the tank rests on an evacuated space. An empty tank which experiences atmospheric pressure on both the upper and lower surfaces of its bottom sees no net load from atmospheric pressure.

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Hi Tyroman,

Thanks for the reply.

1 )I am planned to place my tank on a flat surface where the atmosphere pressure won't comes into play on the bottom plate. So i need apply the atm pressure+hydrostatic pressure inside the tank for the stress calculations.

2) And please let me know where I can get materials for the rectangular tank design.

Thanks in advance.
 
parch said:
Hi Tyroman,

Thanks for the reply.

1 )I am planned to place my tank on a flat surface where the atmosphere pressure won't comes into play on the bottom plate. So i need apply the atm pressure+hydrostatic pressure inside the tank for the stress calculations.

2) And please let me know where I can get materials for the rectangular tank design.

Thanks in advance.

For Q1.
It's easy.
A. pressure from the water due to gravity = maximum 0.2bar.
B. pressure of atmosphere at the tank out side. = 1 bar (anywhere of the tank surface; simplified as 1 bar as 1 ATM = 1.01XXX and varies with temp + altitude).

Thinking a vacuum hot bottle, using vacuum to insulate the heat transfer. It is exactly the stuff you are talking about.

Thus the maximum pressure suffered by the tanks is the so called wetted bottom plate of the tank. 0.2+1=1.2bar

For Q2.
For Tank design, a cylinder/ sphere is better, the book "Fundamental of Hydraulics System engineering" will help you a bit. It involve stress distribution on plate and depends on your tank support.
 
Please put some more materials for standard rectangular tank design ,,

Thanks in advance.
 

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