How Does Confidence Impact Perceptions of Intelligence and Trust?

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The discussion revolves around the impact of confidence on perceptions of intelligence and trust, prompted by a quote from Bertrand Russell. Participants explore the implications of confidence in relation to intelligence, emotional intelligence, and the effects on societal dynamics, including political situations and groupthink.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express agreement with Russell's quote, suggesting that confidence can be misleading and that intelligent individuals often experience doubt.
  • Others question the implications of the quote, noting that it may oversimplify complex societal issues.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of intelligence necessary for leadership, with some suggesting that emotional intelligence and confidence play significant roles.
  • One participant highlights the relationship between confidence and perceived ability, noting that confidence can sometimes stem from ignorance.
  • Concerns are raised about the dangers of confidence in the context of persuasive figures in history, suggesting that high confidence does not always correlate with positive outcomes.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of groupthink and its association with certainty among group members.
  • A question is posed regarding whether confidence inherently involves a degree of cocksuredness.
  • There is a mention of the difficulty in assessing promises or claims made by confident individuals, particularly in sales contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the implications of confidence in relation to intelligence and trust. Some agree with the general sentiment of the quote, while others challenge its completeness and relevance.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of defining intelligence and its various forms, including emotional intelligence, and how these definitions impact perceptions of leadership and trustworthiness. The discussion also touches on the potential for misinterpretation of confidence in social and political contexts.

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"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

What is your take on that quote?
 
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I'm not entirely sure.
 
You never can say something is certain. I'm sure of that. :rolleyes:
 
Thats a really good quote... got to love Russell.

I would agree that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are doubtful (now i am wondering whether these are prerequisite qualities respectively, what do other people think?), and it definitely does have adverse effects on the world.

But saying "The trouble with the world is that..." kind of implies its the ONLY thing, which i would have to think about a lot longer to see if i agree with.

-Spoon
 
I think the problem is defining what (intelligence) one needs to run the world.
 
wolram said:
I think the problem is defining what (intelligence) one needs to run the world.

Some emotional intelligence. What needed is some confidence to sway masses of people.
 
avant-garde said:
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

What is your take on that quote?

I wasn't familiar with that quote, and I'm grateful to be introduced to it. I've often felt very similar things myself, but not been able to express it so articulately!

A closely related point is that people tend to gather support according to their level of confidence because it is assumed to indicate their level of ability, but confidence can also be related to their level of ignorance.
 
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Some emotional intelligence. What needed is some confidence to sway masses of people.

We've seen people in the past sway masses (mmm, I come close to Godwin here...) and it wasn't always such a good thing...

I was out with some friends last night and one of them actually said something to the effect of 'he's such a great speaker, he could convince me to do anything'.
 
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vansesch, I've been held back by that very problem when trying to describe the current US political situation.
 
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you guys are talking about groupthink. Groupthinkers are usually very certain,
 
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Does confidence not require a certain level of cocksuredness? (if that is a word).

-Spoon
 
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A confident unscrupulous sales man would not need confidence in the product he was selling,
to buy from him one would have to inspect the goods very carefully.

I do not know how one would inspect a promise.
 

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