How Does D'Alembert's Solution Explain Physical Phenomena?

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The discussion revolves around d'Alembert's solution, particularly in the context of the wave equation. Participants explore its physical implications, mathematical formulation, and the nature of wave propagation as described by this solution.

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  • Some participants seek a simple explanation of d'Alembert's solution and its physical meaning.
  • One participant describes the solution in terms of two waves moving towards each other, suggesting an intuitive understanding of wave propagation.
  • Another participant questions whether the discussion pertains to the wave equation or Newtonian dynamics, emphasizing the need for clarity on the context.
  • A participant explains that d'Alembert's solution indicates two disturbances propagating outward in opposite directions, using a jump rope analogy to illustrate this concept.
  • Another participant asserts that d'Alembert's solution does not address momentum transfer, focusing instead on the mathematical aspect of wave interaction as a solution to a partial differential equation.
  • A detailed mathematical explanation of d'Alembert's solution is provided, including the formulation of the wave equation and the conditions under which it applies, such as boundary conditions for a string.
  • Some participants express interest in the implications of initial conditions on the wave behavior, particularly in the context of a guitar string being plucked.

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Participants express varying interpretations of d'Alembert's solution, with some focusing on its mathematical formulation while others emphasize its physical implications. There is no clear consensus on the relationship between the solution and concepts like momentum transfer or energy conservation.

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The discussion includes complex mathematical expressions and assumptions about initial conditions that are not fully resolved. The implications of boundary conditions and their effects on wave behavior are also noted but remain open to interpretation.

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What is d 'Alembert's solution? (in simple terms)

What does it mean physically
 
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You have two waves moving at each other and passing by.
 
Just to clarify, do you mean the D'Alembert solution for the wave equation or the D'Alembert's method for Newtonian dynamics?

For the wave equation, I think the intuition is basically like what Cyrus said. D'Alembert's solution says that you get two disturbances which propagate outwards in space and time, but in opposite directions. Imagine taking a jump rope and having two people hold it on either side. If another person comes and kicks the jump rope in the center, you will see that the rope moves outwards towards both people, in two different directions. That's kind of the intuition I think. However, I'd like to hear more people speak about the intuition as far as the general energy/momentum transfer goes.
 
D'Alemberts solution isn't saying anything about momentum transfer. Its simply saying that two waves move past each other. Its a solution to a PDE.

It can be shown that energy is conserved starting from the wave equation, but that has nothing to do with D'Alemberts solution.
 
mcmzie said:
What is d 'Alembert's solution? (in simple terms)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_equation#Solution_of_the_initial_value_problem

it's a clean and simple solution to a partial differential equation, called the wave equation, and in one spatial dimension (along with time) the wave equation:

[tex]\frac{\partial^2 f(x,t) }{ \partial t^2 } = c^2 \frac{ \partial^2 f(x,t) }{ \partial x^2 }[/tex]

is the physical description of what the displacement of a string, f(x,t), is at point x and at time t. this is a 2nd order differential equation so it will have two linearly independent solutions to it, f+(x,t) and f-(x,t) to it. the subscripts will be explained below.

the d 'Alembert's solution or " d 'Alembert's formula" is

[tex]f(x,t) = f_{+}(x,t) + f_{-}(x,t)[/tex]

where

[tex]f_{+}(x,t) = f_1(x-ct)[/tex]

and

[tex]f_{-}(x,t) = f_2(x+ct)[/tex]

or more simply

[tex]f(x,t) = f_1(x-ct) + f_2(x+ct)[/tex]

and where f1(x) and f2(x) are any two continuous functions of x. f+(x,t) or f1(x-ct) represents a wave moving in the +x direction and f-(x,t) or f2(x+ct) is a wave on the string moving in the -x direction. so pick any two f1(x) and f2(x) and you have a solution to the differential equation above. so from that, there are still an infinite number of solutions available to you and you need more information to get to a particular solution.

now, if there are boundary conditions on f(x,t), like the string is terminated (like a guitar string) so that f(0,t)=0 and f(L,t)=0 for all t, (L is the length of the string between the termination points (the bridge and nut or fret of a guitar), then some relationship between f1(x) and f2(x) is indicated:

[tex]f(0,t) = f_{+}(0,t) + f_{+}(0,t) = 0 = f_1(-ct) + f_2(ct)[/tex]

or [tex]f_1(-x) = -f_2(x)[/tex]

and

[tex]f(L,t) = f_{+}(L,t) + f_{+}(L,t) = 0 = f_1(L-ct) + f_2(L+ct)[/tex]

or [tex]f_1(L-x) = -f_2(L+x)[/tex]

That gives you some symmetry properties. If it's a guitar string, and it's a slow, careful pluck (at t=0) where the string is deflected by the pick but is at rest at t=0 when the pick is released, the string's initial shape is assumed known

[tex]f(x,0) = f_1(x) + f_2(x)[/tex]

it turns out that if the string's velocity at time 0 is zero,

[tex]\frac{\partial f(x,t) }{\partial t}\Big|_{t=0} = 0[/tex]

then f1(x) = f2(x) and

[tex]f(x,t) = ( f(x-ct,0) + f(x+ct,0) )/2[/tex]

it's not the simple answer. but reasonably complete.

What does it mean physically

it means that the wave equation can be solved into a form of adding two wave functions together each representing waves going in opposite directions on the string and having equal wave speed.
 
Thanks for your clarification
 

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