How Does Defining a Non-Standard Inner Product Affect Geometry in R²?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of defining a non-standard inner product in R² and its effects on geometric interpretations, particularly concerning the shape of figures like squares when plotted under different inner products.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the concept of inner products and their influence on geometry, questioning whether figures retain their shapes under different inner products. One participant suggests defining a new norm to investigate properties like orthogonality.

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The conversation includes attempts to understand how changing the inner product relates to changing the coordinate system and the resulting geometric interpretations. Some guidance is offered regarding the nature of orthonormal bases under different inner products, but no consensus is reached on the broader implications.

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Participants note that the inquiry is not for homework but stems from curiosity, indicating a focus on theoretical exploration rather than problem-solving within strict homework constraints.

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Hey, I ahve a curioisity (not homework )question.
We learned that there are an infinite number of inner products that can be defined ona vector space and that inner product space is what gives us the notion of distance within a given space.
So if we defined some non standard inner product on R^n what would that mean in terms of geoemtry?
For example, say I looked at R^2 with the standard inner product and defined a square with vectors. Then I "took a new space" in R^2 but with some other inner product and plotted the same vectors, what would they still be a square?


Thanks
Tal

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Try to define a new norm on R^2 and see if it preserves orthogonality, for example.
 
talolard said:

Homework Statement


Hey, I ahve a curioisity (not homework )question.
We learned that there are an infinite number of inner products that can be defined ona vector space and that inner product space is what gives us the notion of distance within a given space.
So if we defined some non standard inner product on R^n what would that mean in terms of geoemtry?
For example, say I looked at R^2 with the standard inner product and defined a square with vectors. Then I "took a new space" in R^2 but with some other inner product and plotted the same vectors, what would they still be a square?


Thanks
Tal

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Changing the inner product is essentially the same as changing your basis which, in [itex]R^n[/itex] is the same as changing your coordinate system. In particular, if you chose <(x,y),(u,v)> = xu+ 2yv as your inner product, an orthonormal basis would be [itex]\{(1, 0), (0, \sqrt{2}/2)\}[/itex] so your vertical axis would be squashed compared to your horizontal axis. No, it would not still be a square.
 
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