How Does Electron Spin Orientation Relate to Its Velocity and Antineutrino Path?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between electron spin orientation and its velocity following beta decay, specifically focusing on the calculation of probabilities related to the electron's spin along the z-axis. The problem involves concepts from quantum mechanics, particularly spinors and their normalization.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the normalization of spinors and the interpretation of probabilities associated with electron spin measurements. There are attempts to clarify the representation of the spinor and its components, as well as the implications of complex numbers in probability calculations.

Discussion Status

Several participants are engaging with the original poster's calculations, questioning the correctness of the equations used and the assumptions made regarding the angle theta. There is a recognition of different approaches to calculating probabilities based on known versus averaged angles, but no consensus has been reached on the validity of the methods presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of distinguishing between cases where the angle theta is known and where it is averaged over all possible values. There is also mention of potential mistakes in the application of spinors in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


After beta- decay electron and antineutrino comes out, electron is moving along z axis and it is moving with velocity v. It's spinor is
## \mid\chi\rangle=A\left(\frac{\sqrt{1+\frac{v}{c}}\sin\frac{\theta}{2}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v}{c}}\cos\frac{\theta}{2}}\right) ## where A is normalization constant,## \theta ## an angle between z axis and ## \overline{\nu}## movement path (antineutrino's spin is in the same direction as it's movement path)
##\theta=\frac{\pi}{2}## and ##\frac{v}{c}=0,15##
1) Calculate the probability that measured electron's spin will be directed along z axis
2) Calculate the probability that measured electron's spin will be directed along z axis, if the angle of ## \overline{\nu}## trajectory can't be measured and electron's spin is registered by averaging all ## \theta ## angles

Homework Equations


By inserting all values and normalizing the function, spinor is ## \mid\chi\rangle=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\left(\begin{array}{c}\sqrt{0,85}\\ \sqrt{1,15}\end{array}\right)##
##\mid\uparrow_z\rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\begin{array}{c}1\\ 0\end{array}\right)##
##S_z= \frac{\hbar}{2}\begin{bmatrix}1 & 0 \\0 & -1 \end{bmatrix}##

The Attempt at a Solution


1) ##\langle\uparrow_z\mid\chi\rangle=c## then c squared is probability that the spin will be along z axis. Is it good ?
2) ##\overline{S_z}=\langle\chi\mid\ S_z\mid\chi\rangle ⇒ \overline{S_z}=\frac{\hbar}{2}## then ##P_+\frac{\hbar}{2}+(1-P_+)(-\frac{\hbar}{2})=\frac{\hbar}{2}\cos\theta## After that I calculate ##P_+##. Is this good or I am missing something? Thanks in advance
 
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Tegalad said:
## \mid\chi\rangle=A\left(\frac{\sqrt{1+\frac{v}{c}}\sin\frac{\theta}{2}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v}{c}}\cos\frac{\theta}{2}}\right) ##
Tegalad said:
## \mid\chi\rangle=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\left(\begin{array}{c}\sqrt{0,85}\\ \sqrt{1,15}\end{array}\right)##
I guess that in the first equation, it is not fraction but two elements of a vector. In that case, are you sure that the second equation is correct?

Tegalad said:
##\mid\uparrow_z\rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\begin{array}{c}1\\ 0\end{array}\right)##
Is that a normalised state?

Tegalad said:
1) ##\langle\uparrow_z\mid\chi\rangle=c## then c squared is probability that the spin will be along z axis. Is it good ?
It should be ##|c|^2## (you have to account for the fact that ##c \in \mathbb{C}##).

Tegalad said:
2) ##\overline{S_z}=\langle\chi\mid\ S_z\mid\chi\rangle ⇒ \overline{S_z}=\frac{\hbar}{2}## then ##P_+\frac{\hbar}{2}+(1-P_+)(-\frac{\hbar}{2})=\frac{\hbar}{2}\cos\theta## After that I calculate ##P_+##. Is this good or I am missing something?
You are asked twice to calculate the probability that the measured electron's spin will be directed along the z axis. Why is your approach different in both cases?
 
DrClaude said:
I guess that in the first equation, it is not fraction but two elements of a vector. In that case, are you sure that the second equation is correct?
It shouldn't be a fraction and yes the second one is correct.

Is that a normalised state?
Yes, it is.

It should be ##|c|^2## (you have to account for the fact that ##c \in \mathbb{C}##).You are asked twice to calculate the probability that the measured electron's spin will be directed along the z axis. Why is your approach different in both cases?
Maybe I haven't made it clear enough, but in the first case angle theta is known and in the second one the spin is calculated by averaging all possible theta's
Thank you for your reply :)
 
Tegalad said:
Maybe I haven't made it clear enough, but in the first case angle theta is known and in the second one the spin is calculated by averaging all possible theta's
I had understood that. So, can you answer my questions?
 
DrClaude said:
I had understood that. So, can you answer my questions?
Now I see that I made a mistake, because I used a spinor with a given theta, so I would get the same result.
 
Tegalad said:
Now I see that I made a mistake, because I used a spinor with a given theta, so I would get the same result.
I don't understand what you mean, so I can't tell if your result will be correct.
 

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