How Does Entropy Change with Pressure at Constant Temperature?

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The discussion revolves around the change in entropy of a substance as pressure varies at constant temperature, given a specific relationship between volume, temperature, and pressure. The original poster seeks to understand how to derive the change in entropy using Gibbs potential and relevant thermodynamic equations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to express the entropy change in terms of pressure changes and seeks clarification on deriving a specific relationship from Gibbs potential. Some participants suggest taking partial derivatives of the equations presented to explore relationships between variables.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the properties of partial differentiation, and there is a recognition of the potential to substitute variables in the integral to facilitate integration. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final approach or solution.

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The original poster expresses difficulty with formatting equations and seeks advice on using LaTeX for clarity in communication.

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Homework Statement


Hi!
My problem :
There is given substance for which (dV/dT)_p =ap^2,where V-volume,T-temperature,p-pressure,a-const.
How much the entropy S will increase if T=const and pressure changes from p1 to p2?

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So
1) Mathematically the question of this excersie could be represented as
dS=Int [(dS/dp)_T dp] from p1 to p2
2) The next step should be to use Gibs potential : dG=Vdp-SdT
From Gibbs potential i should derive something like this (dV/dT)_p = -(dS/dp)_T (*)

But i can go as far as dG=(dG/dp)dp -(dG/dT)dT -> (dG/dp)_T=V ;(dG/dT)_p=-S
I think that the problem is mathematical: i can't figure out how from dG i can get (*)

Could someone can,please help me?

P.S. I'm sorry about the equations, i can't find any option for equation builder.
 
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You're very close to having the answer. Here's what you have so far:
\left(\frac{\partial G}{\partial P}\right)_T=V
\left(\frac{\partial G}{\partial T}\right)_P=-S
Now, what happens if you take the partial of the first equation with respect to T and the partial of the second equation with respect to P?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
You're very close to having the answer. Here's what you have so far:
\left(\frac{\partial G}{\partial P}\right)_T=V
\left(\frac{\partial G}{\partial T}\right)_P=-S
Now, what happens if you take the partial of the first equation with respect to T and the partial of the second equation with respect to P?

Chet

it s dG/dpdT=dV/dP and dG/dTdp=-dS/dp
I assume there is property of dG when dG/dpdT=dG/dTdp and so -dS/dp=dV/dP! Which allows me to substitute dS/dp=-dV/dp in integral and i can now easily integrate.
Thanks for the help!

P.S. Still having problems with formulas ,do you use "latex"code in insert "code" section ? I does not work for me :(
 
prehisto said:
it s dG/dpdT=dV/dP and dG/dTdp=-dS/dp
I assume there is property of dG when dG/dpdT=dG/dTdp and so -dS/dp=dV/dP! Which allows me to substitute dS/dp=-dV/dp in integral and i can now easily integrate.
Yes. That's a property of partial differentiation. The second partial with respect to two independent variables is independent of the order of the partial differentiation.
Thanks for the help!

P.S. Still having problems with formulas ,do you use "latex"code in insert "code" section ? I does not work for me :(

I've just been doing the latex in the original message. When you preview the actual message, it comes out looking the way it is supposed to look. Also, it comes out looking right if, after you post the reply, you click on the refresh "circle" next to the back arrow (next to the url).

chet
 

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