How Does Equation 4.144 Follow from 4.143 in Quantum Field Theory?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Pauli Jordan Green's function for the Klein-Gordon field, specifically how equation 4.144 follows from equation 4.143 as presented in lecture notes and a linked PDF. The focus is on the mathematical relationships and transformations involved in this derivation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the transition from equation 4.143 to 4.144, suggesting that the notation change from a 4-dimensional to a 3-dimensional dot product may not be justified.
  • Another participant mentions the use of the Euler identity as a key component in the derivation, although some express that there is more complexity involved.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of factoring out the term \(\exp(i\vec{p}\cdot \vec{x})\) in the context of the equations, with one participant providing a specific form of the expression that complicates this factorization.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of changing variables in integrals over symmetric regions, with some participants asserting that this does not affect the outcome, while others question whether it introduces additional factors.
  • One participant notes that changing the sign of momentum in an integral could introduce a factor of -1, potentially altering the resulting function from sine to cosine.
  • Another participant acknowledges the introduction of a -1 factor from the reversal of integration limits, indicating a realization of the implications of their earlier argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of certain mathematical manipulations and the implications of changing variables in integrals. No consensus is reached on the correctness of the derivation steps or the treatment of the equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the assumptions made regarding the dimensionality of the dot products and the treatment of integrals over symmetric regions. The discussion remains focused on the mathematical intricacies without resolving the underlying uncertainties.

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Hi everyone,

I'm going through some lecture notes on Quantum Field Theory and I came across a derivation of an explicit form of the Pauli Jordan Green's function for the Klein-Gordon field.

The equations used in my lecture notes are equivalent to the ones in http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/berrondo/wt752/Invariant%20Functions.pdf
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My question is actually quite simple: how does equation 4.144 follow from 4.143 in the above pdf? (the same equations are in my lecture notes as well).
 
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It's just due to the Euler identity

$$e^{i\theta} = \cos \theta + i \sin\theta.$$

This identity shows up in a lot of places, so it is a good one to remember!
 
fzero said:
It's just due to the Euler identity
There's a bit more to it than that, isn't there? Looks to me like he pulled a switcheroo in notation. In Eq 4.143, p·x is a 4-dimensional dot product, but in Eq. 4.144, the same p·x is 3-dimensional.
 
I see that I'd need to use \sin(x) = 1/2i (e^{ix}-e^{-ix}), but it seems like the factor \exp(i\vec{p}\cdot \vec{x}) is factored out, which can't be true. They way I see it is

\exp(-ip\cdot x)-\exp(ip\cdot x)=\exp(-iEt+i\vec{p}\cdot\vec{x})-\exp(iEt-i\vec{p}\cdot\vec{x}), in which it is not possible to just factor \exp(i\vec{p}\cdot \vec{x}) out and be left with \sin(Et) (with some factors)
 
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Yes, the p and x on equation 4.144 should be bold to make that point clear
 
Yoran91 said:
I see that I'd need to use sin(x) = 1/2i (e^{ix}-e^{-ix}), but it seems like the factor \exp(i\vec{p}\cdot \vec{x}) is factored out, which can't be true.

why not?
 
I see your problem. You're forgetting that the integral is over a symmetric region. Make the change of variables \vec{p}' = - \vec{p} in one of the integrals and all is well
 
the spatial momentum goes from -infinity to infinity.so you can change the sign in one of them without any effect
 
But wouldn't that introduce a factor -1 (Jacobian) as well, so that the term left over would be a cosine rather than a sine?
 
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There is another -1 factor from the reversal of the integration limits
 
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Ah of course! Thanks!
 

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