How Does Force Angle Affect Book Acceleration with Friction?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a book resting on a table, where a force is applied at an angle. The problem explores the effects of this force on the book's acceleration, taking into account static and kinetic friction coefficients.

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  • Participants discuss the application of free body diagrams and the equations of motion in both the x and y directions. There is uncertainty about how to proceed after establishing the equations, particularly regarding the vertical acceleration.

Discussion Status

Some participants have attempted to clarify the relationship between the normal force and the vertical acceleration, while others express confusion about the implications of the normal force being zero. There are ongoing questions about the conditions under which the normal force acts and its relationship to the book's motion.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the applied force's angle and its effect on the normal force and acceleration in the vertical direction. There is a recognition of the need to reconcile different interpretations of the forces at play.

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Homework Statement



A book of mass M = .55 kg rests on a table where the coefficient of static friction us = .45. A force, F = 4 N acts on the book at an angle of 15 degrees above the surface of the table. What is the acceleration of the book if the coefficient of kinetic friction uk = .23?

Homework Equations



ΣFx = ma
ΣFy = ma

Ff = Fn(uk)


The Attempt at a Solution



I drew free body diagrams.

ΣFx = Fx - Ff
Fx - Ff = ma(x)
Fx - Fn(uk) = ma(x)

ΣFy = ma
Fn - Fy - mg = ma(y)

I'm not sure where to go from here. I know that I need to use Pythagoras theorem when I have the values of a(x) and a(y) but I don't know how to get that far.

Please help, I've been working on this for 2+ hours.
 
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hri12 said:

Homework Statement



A book of mass M = .55 kg rests on a table where the coefficient of static friction us = .45. A force, F = 4 N acts on the book at an angle of 15 degrees above the surface of the table. What is the acceleration of the book if the coefficient of kinetic friction uk = .23?

Homework Equations



ΣFx = ma
ΣFy = ma

Ff = Fn(uk)


The Attempt at a Solution



I drew free body diagrams.

ΣFx = Fx - Ff
Fx - Ff = ma(x)
Fx - Fn(uk) = ma(x)

ΣFy = ma
Fn - Fy - mg = ma(y)

I'm not sure where to go from here. I know that I need to use Pythagoras theorem when I have the values of a(x) and a(y) but I don't know how to get that far.

Please help, I've been working on this for 2+ hours.
What do you suppose the value of ay is ?
 
I know it's not zero because:
1. I already tried with zero and got the wrong answer.
2. It's being pulled diagonally upwards, so both a(x) and a(y) should have a nonzero value.
 
Edit: the answer should be 5.20 m/s^2
 
Never mind. Got it. Thanks everyone!

SOLUTION
ΣFx = Fx - Ff
Fx - Ff = ma(x)
Fx - Fn(uk) = ma(x)

ΣFy = ma
Fn + Fy - mg = ma(y)

a(y) = 0 (not sure why...)
Fn + Fy - mg = 0
Fn = mg - Fy

Fx - (mg - Fy)(uk) = ma(x)
a(x) = (Fx - (mg - Fy)(uk) )/m
a(x) = 5.2

((5.2)^2 + (0)^2)^(1/2) = 5.2
 
hri12 said:
Never mind. Got it. Thanks everyone!
Excellent !
SOLUTION
ΣFx = Fx - Ff
Fx - Ff = ma(x)
Fx - Fn(uk) = ma(x)

ΣFy = ma
Fn + Fy - mg = ma(y)

a(y) = 0 (not sure why...)
Then this is worth looking at further.

ay can possibly be positive, but it can't be negative. Right ?

If ay > 0, then the normal force will be zero. Right? Then Fy - mg = ay > 0 . Is Fy - mg > 0 ?

If that's not the case, then your solution with ay = 0 is correct.
 
Why will the normal force be zero? If anything the normal force will be Fn = ma(y) + mg -Fy...

I still don't understand.
 
hri12 said:
Why will the normal force be zero? If anything the normal force will be Fn = ma(y) + mg -Fy...

I still don't understand.
I may not have stated that too clearly.

Why is there any normal force? It's there because the surface of the table keeps the book from accelerating downward through the surface. So the surface exerts whatever force is needed for this to be the case.

The normal force cannot be negative. If it were, it would be pulling down on the book.

If ay is positive, then the book is no longer on the surface of the table thus no normal force
 
So basically because the book isn't moving in the y direction? That makes sense.

Thank you so much btw for all of your help. :)
 

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