How Does Friction Affect Spring Motion on a Rough Surface?

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The problem involves a spring-mass system where a block is attached to a spring and released on a rough surface. The spring constant is given, and the block comes to a stop after being dragged across the surface, raising questions about the role of friction in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the concept of friction and its direction relative to motion. There is an exploration of potential energy changes in the spring and how energy conservation applies to the system. Questions arise about the definition and calculation of the frictional force and its relationship to the work-energy theorem.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into energy conservation and the relationship between potential energy and work done against friction. There is no explicit consensus yet, but guidance is being offered regarding the connections between energy changes and frictional forces.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions of forces and energy in the context of the problem, indicating a need for clarification on constants and their implications in the equations being used.

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A relaxed spring with spring constant k = 70 N/m is stretched a distance di = 63 cm and held there. A block of mass M = 7 kg is attached to the spring. The spring is then released from rest and contracts, dragging the block across a rough horizontal floor until it stops without passing through the relaxed position, at which point the spring is stretched by an amount df = di/9.

What is the coefficient of kinetic friction µk between the block and the floor?


The formula I'm trying to use is Ff = μFn

What I can't understand is Ff. Its defined as "the force exerted by friction". But what does that mean and how can I solve for it? The problem wants me to use the Work Energy Theorem but I can't piece it all together in my head and I just can't seem to understand constants as a whole anyways so I could really use some insight here.

Thanks as always:wink:
 
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firstly, the "force exerted by friction" always acts opposite to the direction of motion.

To solve the problem think about how much potential energy the spring had initially and how much it has finally. Where has the extra energy gone? (remember energy is conserved)

-Spoon
 
OK I've been looking at my potential energy formulas and I don't see the connection.
I can't figure out what in the world I'm missing.

On a side note just curious but is Spoon for Spoon Sports?:smile:
 
Ok, the change in energy of the system should be negative, meaning you should have less potential energy than when you started. Where did the energy go, because it must be conserved?

Well the system had to overcome the frictional force to move, I.e the system did work.

Remember that work = force * distance (applied).

And no, I've never heard of spoon sports, just a nickname I acquired a few years ago :)

Hope that helps without giving it all away

-spoon
 

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