How Does Gravitational Lensing Work?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on gravitational lensing, exploring its mechanisms, implications, and historical context. Participants express varying levels of understanding and inquiry into how light behaves in the presence of massive objects and the effects of gravitational lensing on astronomical observations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe gravitational lensing as a result of gravity bending space, causing light to follow a curved path near massive objects.
  • Concerns are raised about how one can be certain that light is bent, with suggestions that it can only be confirmed from a lateral perspective.
  • One participant shares a sketch to illustrate the bending of light around a massive object, noting that it is an exaggerated representation.
  • Another participant mentions that gravitational lensing allows observers to see behind an occulting galaxy, challenging the assumption that distant galaxies are unobservable when blocked by nearer ones.
  • Discussion includes the application of lensing techniques to study dark matter, with questions about how light interacts with dark matter and whether it behaves differently when passing through it.
  • Some participants question the accuracy of historical calculations related to gravitational lensing, specifically referencing Eddington's work.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of light observation, emphasizing that light can be bent and still reach the observer's eye or telescope.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement on various aspects of gravitational lensing, particularly regarding the certainty of light bending and the implications of historical calculations. No consensus is reached on the accuracy of Eddington's calculations or the specifics of light interaction with dark matter.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on assumptions about the observer's perspective and the nature of light, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes references to historical events and techniques that are not fully resolved.

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In simplified terms, Einstein stated that gravity would bend space, so even light would follow the curved path near a massive object. For an observer, far away, it appears as if the light waves bend.
 
how could it be so sure that the light is bent? because the observer can see it straightly where the light comes from(telescope or something).
Only when its seen laterally or in sidewise view it is possible to assure that light is bent.!
 
Soundariya Raja said:
how could it be so sure that the light is bent? because the observer can see it straightly where the light comes from(telescope or something).
Only when its seen laterally or in sidewise view it is possible to assure that light is bent.!
I'm not usually fond of going just with Wikipedia, but they have a nice animation of what something passing through the "lens" might look like. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens
 
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So this is my attempt at sketching out what is happening. I have greatly exaggerated the effect. As the light passes near a massive object, which has distorted the space, the light follows a curved path, near it then continues on. An observer would see images on either side of the front massive object.
https://flic.kr/p/WgNVyn
 
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Soundariya Raja said:
how could it be so sure that the light is bent? because the observer can see it straightly where the light comes from(telescope or something).
Only when its seen laterally or in sidewise view it is possible to assure that light is bent.!

We can compare the apparent relative position of stars in the sky as a massive object (such as the Sun) passes near our line of sight to the star. As the massive object comes very close to our LOS, the apparent position of the star changes slightly as the light is bent. The measured change in the apparent position matches predictions by GR.
 
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OH..WOW!..:woot: THANK YOU SCOTTDAVE, DRAKKITH!.."FOR THE ANIMATIONS" :biggrin:
NOW I COULD UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE THING.:smile:
 
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I've just had a little experience with it, since I did a little undergraduate research semester on it. But one thing that's not been mentioned, and what excites me the most about it, is that it enables an observer to actually observe behind an occulting galaxy. Just from line of sight considerations, it might be natural to assume that when a galaxy occults another galaxy from view, the more distant object is unobservable.

Not so due to the the effects of gravitational lensing.

The nearer galaxy acts as a lens to send information from the more distant galaxy to the observer. Quite amazing, really.
 
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mark! said:
True, but this lensing technique is also used to 'see' dark matter. But does ligt behave/interact the same way when it goes 'through' dark matter, unaffected whatsoever?
Dark matter does not interact with electromagnetic fields, so light can pass through dark matter as though it's not there at all.
The light is not absorbed or reflected or refracted in any form.
Sufficient quantity of dark matter has a gravitational field though, and that field does interact with light, changing it's apparent direction as seen by a remote observer This lensing is the same as that produced by concentrations of normal matter
 
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Isn't there some evidence that Eddington's calulations were incorrect?
 
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pmwelec said:
Isn't there some evidence that Eddington's calulations were incorrect?
What difference does it make? Surely, you are not going to dispute General Relativity.
 
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Soundariya Raja said:
how could it be so sure that the light is bent? because the observer can see it straightly where the light comes from(telescope or something).
Only when its seen laterally or in sidewise view it is possible to assure that light is bent.!

No, we only see light coming at us. (see lens) There is no sideways view of light.

390px-Lens1.svg.png


Suppose you take a Sherlock Holmes style magnifying glass and place a sticker in the middle of the glass. You can still see parts of an object that are behind the sticker. Light that would not have hit our eye gets bent and now it does get to our eye (or telescope, camera etc).

A lot of telescopes have a blockage in the middle of the tube. Makes a good image anyway.
220px-Newtonian_telescope2.svg.png

225px-Schmidt-Cassegrain-Telescope.svg.png
 

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