MHB How Does Integration by Parts Differ in Solving $\int x^8 \ln x^9 \, dx$?

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The discussion focuses on solving the integral $\int x^8 \ln x^9 \, dx$ using integration by parts (IBP) and substitution. One approach involves substituting $t = x^9$, transforming the integral into $\frac{1}{9} \int \ln(t) \, dt$, which is then solved using IBP. Another method suggests using $u = x^8$ and applying IBP directly, leading to the same final result. Both methods yield equivalent answers, confirming the flexibility of integration techniques. The conversation emphasizes the importance of substitution choices in simplifying complex integrals.
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$\Large{242.8.2.54} \\ $
solve by $u={x}^{8}$ then by IBP

$\displaystyle
I_{54}=\int{x^8}\ln{x^9} \, dx
=9\left(\dfrac{x^9\ln\left(x\right)}{9}-\dfrac{x^9}{81}\right) \\$
$u=x^8. \ \ du=8x^7 dx \ \ x=\sqrt[8]{u}$

how would IBP be any different?
 
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I believe you'd want to use the substitution

$$t=x^9,\quad\dfrac{dt}{9}=x^8\,dx$$

so the integral becomes

$$\dfrac19\int\ln(t)\,dt$$

Now, to apply IBP, use

$$u=\ln(t),\,du=\dfrac1t\,dt;\quad dv=dt,\,v=t$$

Can you proceed from there?
 
$$t=x^9,\quad\dfrac{dt}{9}=x^8\,dx \\

\dfrac19\int\ln(t)\,dt$$
IBP
$$\begin{align}
u&= \ln\left({t}\right) &dv&=dt\\
du&=\frac{1}{t}dt &v&=t&
\end{align}\\$$

$$\frac{1}{9}\left[uv-\int v \, du \right]
\implies
\frac{1}{9}\left[t \ln\left({t}\right)-\int t \frac{1}{t}dt\right]
\implies
\frac{1}{9} \left[t\ln\left({t}\right)-t\right]$$

back substitute $t=x^9$
$$\displaystyle
\frac{1}{9} \left[x^9\ln\left({x^9}\right)-x^9\right]+C$$

something ?
 
That's correct (and it's equivalent to the answer you gave in your initial post with the constant of integration added in).
 
I would have used an entirely different substitution...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ x^8\ln{ \left( x^9 \right) } \,\mathrm{d}x } &= \int{ 9\,x^8\ln{(x)} \,\mathrm{d}x } \\ &= \int{ \frac{9\,x^9\ln{(x)}}{x}\,\mathrm{d}x } \end{align*}$

then with the substitution $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \ln{(x)} \implies \mathrm{d}u = \frac{1}{x}\,\mathrm{d}x \end{align*}$ we have

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{9\,x^9\ln{(x)}}{x}\,\mathrm{d}x } &= \int{ 9\,u\,\mathrm{e}^{ 9\,u }\,\mathrm{d}u } \end{align*}$

and then apply Integration by Parts.
 
karush said:
$\displaystyle I \;=\; \int{x^8}\ln{x^9} \, dx \;=\;x^9\ln x - \tfrac{1}{9}x^9 + C \\$
\text{We have: }\;I \;=\; 9\int x^8\ln x\,dx

\begin{array}{ccccccccc}<br /> u&amp;=&amp; \ln x &amp;&amp; dv &amp;=&amp; x^8dx \\<br /> du &amp;=&amp; \frac{dx}{x} &amp;&amp; v &amp;=&amp; \frac{1}{9}x^9 \end{array}

I \;=\; 9\left[\tfrac{1}{9}x^9\ln x - \tfrac{1}{9}\int x^8dx\right] \;=\; 9\left[\tfrac{1}{9}x^9\ln x - \tfrac{1}{81}x^9\right] + C

I \;=\;x^9\ln x - \tfrac{1}{9}x^9 + C
 
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