How Does Integration by Parts Differ in Solving $\int x^8 \ln x^9 \, dx$?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function $\int x^8 \ln x^9 \, dx$, specifically focusing on the application of integration by parts (IBP) and various substitution methods. Participants explore different approaches to solve the integral, examining how the choice of substitution affects the integration process.

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  • One participant suggests using $u = x^8$ for integration by parts, leading to a specific form of the integral.
  • Another participant proposes a substitution $t = x^9$, which simplifies the integral to $\frac{1}{9}\int \ln(t) \, dt$ and outlines the steps for applying IBP from there.
  • A subsequent reply confirms the correctness of the previous steps and notes that it is equivalent to the initial approach with the constant of integration included.
  • Another participant introduces a different substitution method, suggesting to express the integral as $\int 9 x^8 \ln(x) \, dx$ and then use $u = \ln(x)$ for further simplification.
  • One participant summarizes their approach, showing the steps leading to the final expression of the integral, which includes the constant of integration.

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Participants present multiple competing views on the best method to approach the integral, with no consensus reached on a single preferred method. Each approach yields similar forms but emphasizes different substitution techniques.

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Some participants' methods depend on specific substitutions that may not be universally applicable, and the discussion does not resolve the effectiveness of each approach in all contexts.

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$\Large{242.8.2.54} \\ $
solve by $u={x}^{8}$ then by IBP

$\displaystyle
I_{54}=\int{x^8}\ln{x^9} \, dx
=9\left(\dfrac{x^9\ln\left(x\right)}{9}-\dfrac{x^9}{81}\right) \\$
$u=x^8. \ \ du=8x^7 dx \ \ x=\sqrt[8]{u}$

how would IBP be any different?
 
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I believe you'd want to use the substitution

$$t=x^9,\quad\dfrac{dt}{9}=x^8\,dx$$

so the integral becomes

$$\dfrac19\int\ln(t)\,dt$$

Now, to apply IBP, use

$$u=\ln(t),\,du=\dfrac1t\,dt;\quad dv=dt,\,v=t$$

Can you proceed from there?
 
$$t=x^9,\quad\dfrac{dt}{9}=x^8\,dx \\

\dfrac19\int\ln(t)\,dt$$
IBP
$$\begin{align}
u&= \ln\left({t}\right) &dv&=dt\\
du&=\frac{1}{t}dt &v&=t&
\end{align}\\$$

$$\frac{1}{9}\left[uv-\int v \, du \right]
\implies
\frac{1}{9}\left[t \ln\left({t}\right)-\int t \frac{1}{t}dt\right]
\implies
\frac{1}{9} \left[t\ln\left({t}\right)-t\right]$$

back substitute $t=x^9$
$$\displaystyle
\frac{1}{9} \left[x^9\ln\left({x^9}\right)-x^9\right]+C$$

something ?
 
That's correct (and it's equivalent to the answer you gave in your initial post with the constant of integration added in).
 
I would have used an entirely different substitution...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ x^8\ln{ \left( x^9 \right) } \,\mathrm{d}x } &= \int{ 9\,x^8\ln{(x)} \,\mathrm{d}x } \\ &= \int{ \frac{9\,x^9\ln{(x)}}{x}\,\mathrm{d}x } \end{align*}$

then with the substitution $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \ln{(x)} \implies \mathrm{d}u = \frac{1}{x}\,\mathrm{d}x \end{align*}$ we have

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{ \frac{9\,x^9\ln{(x)}}{x}\,\mathrm{d}x } &= \int{ 9\,u\,\mathrm{e}^{ 9\,u }\,\mathrm{d}u } \end{align*}$

and then apply Integration by Parts.
 
karush said:
$\displaystyle I \;=\; \int{x^8}\ln{x^9} \, dx \;=\;x^9\ln x - \tfrac{1}{9}x^9 + C \\$
\text{We have: }\;I \;=\; 9\int x^8\ln x\,dx

\begin{array}{ccccccccc}<br /> u&amp;=&amp; \ln x &amp;&amp; dv &amp;=&amp; x^8dx \\<br /> du &amp;=&amp; \frac{dx}{x} &amp;&amp; v &amp;=&amp; \frac{1}{9}x^9 \end{array}

I \;=\; 9\left[\tfrac{1}{9}x^9\ln x - \tfrac{1}{9}\int x^8dx\right] \;=\; 9\left[\tfrac{1}{9}x^9\ln x - \tfrac{1}{81}x^9\right] + C

I \;=\;x^9\ln x - \tfrac{1}{9}x^9 + C
 

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