How Does Mass Affect Friction in a Pulley System?

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving a pulley system with masses m1, m2, and m3, where m2 has a mass of 56 kg and m3 has a mass of 28 kg. The coefficients of static and kinetic friction are μs = 0.21 and μk = 0.14, respectively. The primary questions are determining the minimum mass of m1 required to prevent m2 from sliding off the table and calculating the acceleration of m3 when m1 is removed. The solution involves analyzing forces acting on the masses and applying Newton's laws to derive the necessary equations.

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Masses m1 and m2 rest on a table 1.2 meters above the floor and are attached to m3 via a very light string and a frictionless pulley as shown above. The coefficient of static friction between the m2 and the table is μs = 0.21 and their coefficient of kinetic friction is μk = 0.14. m2 = 56 kg and m3 = 28 kg.
a) What is the minimum mass that m1 can have to keep the two blocks from sliding off the table?
b) m1 is completely removed. What will be the acceleration of m3? (assume up to be the positive direction).


The Attempt at a Solution


I havn't gotten to b yet only attempted a so far.

a) i make the free body diagram and end up with the following equations.
for m1 \Sigma Fy = N1-m1*g=0

for m2 \Sigma Fy= N2-N1-m2*g=0
and \Sigma Fx= T-\mus*N2=0

and for m3 \Sigma Fy= T-m3*g=0

From there i solve the m3 for T then m2 Fx for N2 then Fy2 for N1 and finally the first for m1. But that doesn't work at all. So if anyone can point out what goes wrong id be glad to hear it.
 
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For part a, I think it's easier to solve the problem intuitively rather than mathematically. Let's first assume that m1 is large enough to keep the two blocks stationary. m2 is then pressing down on the table with a force of (m1+m2)g. Now let's reduce the mass of m1. At some point, the table can no longer provide enough static friction to hold m3 still. At what point does this happen?
 

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