Pulley system w/hanging mass, two unknown masses and Mk

In summary, the mass on the shelf is attached to a mass that hangs over the side of the shelf by a thin string. The system is released from rest and the 2.4 kg mass strikes the ground at 1.3 seconds later. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the masses is 0.
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Ummiya
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Homework Statement


A mass m1 on a horizontal shelf is attached by a thin string that passes over a frictionless pulley to a 2.4 kg mass (m2) that hangs over the side of the shelf 1.4 m above the ground. The system is released from rest at t = 0 and the 2.4 kg mass strikes the ground at t = 0.85 s. The system is now placed in its initial position and a 1.2 kg mass is placed on top of the block of mass m1. Released from rest, the 2.4 kg mass now strikes the ground 1.3 seconds later.

(a) Determine the mass m1.
(b) Determine the coefficient of kinetic friction between m1 and the shelf.

Homework Equations



Newton's 2nd law: F = ma
Constant acceleration: x(t) = x0 + v0t + 1/2at^2

The Attempt at a Solution



∑Fx (m1) = T - ƒ = m1a
∑Fy (m1) = m1g - N = 0
N = m1g

∑Fx (m1) = T - Mk(m1g) = m1a
T = m1(a + Mkg)
m1 = T / (a + Mkg)

∑Fy (m2) = T - m2g = m2ay
T = m2a + m2g

x(t) = x0 + v0t + 1/2at^2
1.4 = 1/2a(0.85^2)
a = 3.875

T = (2.4)(3.875) + (2.4)(9.8)
T = 32.82 N

m3 = second object placed on m1
∑Fx (m1 + m3) = T - f = (m1 + m3)a
∑Fy (m1 + m3) = (m1 + m3)g - N = 0
N = (m1 + m3)g

∑Fx (m1 + m3) = T - Mk((m1 + m3)g) = (m1 + m3)a

No idea what to do after this. Is my (m1+m3) equation correct? If it helps there's a hint saying:
Draw free-body diagrams of the objects with mass m1, m2, and the m1-additional object system. Apply Newton's second law and the use of a constant-acceleration equation to find a relationship between the coefficient of kinetic friction and m1. The repetition of this procedure with the additional object on top of the object whose mass is m1 will lead to a second equation that, when solved simultaneously with the former equation, results in a quadratic equation in m1. Its solution will allow you to substitute in an expression for μk and determine its value.
 
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Well, can you post your diagram ?
 
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Ummiya said:
∑Fx (m1) = T - ƒ = m1a
∑Fy (m1) = m1g - N = 0
N = m1g

∑Fx (m1) = T - Mk(m1g) = m1a
T = m1(a + Mkg)
m1 = T / (a + Mkg)
I think the first two lines are OK. Then I can't follow: you haven't told us what T is, what ƒ is, what k is or what M is.

If they represent what I think, then the third line is wrong (and the dimensions don't match either). So help me out !

Oh, and T > 2.4 g should start some alarm bells ringing !
 
  • #4
Mk is mu. (k for kinetic)
ƒ is the frictional force
T is the tension

None of those are given.
 
  • #5
Still haven't seen a diagram, or better: two diagrams. One for m1 and one for m2. They have two things in common.
 
  • #6
Sorry I didn't see your first reply till now.

Snapshot.jpg
 
  • #7
Ummiya said:
∑Fy (m2) = T - m2g = m2ay
Which way is it accelerating?
 
  • #8
Good. the 'things' in common are T and (not shown in the diagram, but that's understandable) the acceleration (the wire stays at fixed length). Now collect the equations and see if you can come to a set of equations with an equal number of unknowns.
 

1. How does the pulley system with a hanging mass work?

The pulley system with a hanging mass works by using a combination of ropes, pulleys, and weights to create mechanical advantage. This allows for a smaller force to lift a larger mass, making it easier to move heavy objects.

2. What is the purpose of using two unknown masses in a pulley system?

Using two unknown masses in a pulley system allows for the calculation of the mechanical advantage (Mk) of the system. This helps in understanding the efficiency of the system and how much force is required to lift a certain mass.

3. How is the mechanical advantage (Mk) calculated in a pulley system?

The mechanical advantage (Mk) in a pulley system is calculated by dividing the weight of the hanging mass by the weight of the applied force. This gives a ratio of the force applied to the force required to lift the mass.

4. What factors can affect the mechanical advantage (Mk) in a pulley system?

The mechanical advantage (Mk) in a pulley system can be affected by the number of pulleys used, the friction in the system, and the weight of the objects being lifted. Additionally, the type of pulleys and the arrangement of the ropes can also impact the mechanical advantage.

5. How can the mechanical advantage (Mk) be increased in a pulley system?

The mechanical advantage (Mk) in a pulley system can be increased by adding more pulleys or using more efficient pulley designs. Reducing friction in the system can also increase the mechanical advantage. However, it is important to note that the mechanical advantage cannot exceed the number of ropes supporting the load in the system.

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