How Does Mass Transfer Between Rotating Drums Affect Their Angular Velocities?

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The discussion focuses on the dynamics of two rotating drums, specifically how mass transfer from an inner drum to an outer drum affects their angular velocities. The inner drum, with mass MA and radius a, initially rotates with angular velocity ωA(0), while the outer drum, with mass MB and radius b (where b > a), starts at rest. As sand with mass MS is released from the inner drum at a constant rate λ, the subsequent angular velocities are derived using conservation of angular momentum principles. The final equations for angular velocities are ωA(t) = ωA(0)(MA + MS) / (MA + MS - λt) and ωB(t) = ωA(0)(a² / b²)(λt / (λt + MB)).

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Here is a problem I spent my sunday trying to solve. I made progress, but still something is wrong.

Homework Statement



A drum of mass MA and radius a rotates freely with initial angular velocity \omega_{A}(0). A second drum with mass MB and radius b>a is mounted on the same axis and is at rest, although it is free to rotate. A thin layer of sand with mass MS is distributed on the inner surface of the smaller drum. At t=0 small perforations in the inner drum are opened. The sand starts to fly out at a constant rate \lambda and sticks to the outer drum. Find the subsequent angular velocities of the two drums \omega_{A} and \omega_{B}. Ignore the transit time of the sand.
Ans. clue. If \lambda t = M_{B} and b=2a then \omega_{B}=\omega_{A}(0)/8

Homework Equations



\frac{dL}{dt}=0

L=mr^{2}\omega

The Attempt at a Solution



I begin by looking at the angular momentum of the inner drum: L_{A}(t)=(M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t)a^{2}\omega_{A}(t) and at a later time L_{A}(t+\Delta t)=(M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda (t+\Delta t))a^{2}\omega_{A}(t+\Delta t)+\lambda \Delta t a^{2}\omega_{A}(t). Taking the limit and dividing by dt gives \frac{dL_{A}}{dt}=(M_{A}+M{S}-\lambda t)a^{2}\frac{d\omega_{A}}{dt}-\omega_{A}\lambda a^{2}=0. This is a differential equation which can be solved by switching a little to give
\omega_{A}=\omega_{A}(0)\frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t}
I think this might be right.

However, the second part I am not so sure of. First of all some energy is lost when the sand falls in partly perpendicular to the surface of the outer drum. One can show that a fraction a/b of the momentum survives and the rest becomes heat. Therefore the angular momentum of the outer drum at time t will be L_{B}(t)=(\lambda t + M_{B})b^{2}\omega_{B}(t)+b\frac{a}{b}a\omega_{A} \lambda \Delta t, where the second term is the incoming sand losing some mechanical energy. At a later time L_{B}(t)=(\lambda (t+\Delta t) + M_{B})b^{2}\omega_{B}(t+\Delta t). Taking the limit and dividing by dt gives \frac{dL_{B}}{dt}=(\lambda t+M_{B})b^{2}\frac{d\omega_{B}}{dt}+\lambda(\omega_{B}b^{2}-\omega_{A}(0)a^{2}\frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t})=0 This is a linear differential equation which can be solved to give \omega_{B}(t)=\omega_{A}(0)\frac{a^{2}}{b^{2}}\ln \lgroup \frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t}\rgroup \frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{B}+\lambda t}
This is not in accordance with the clue, nor with my answer sheet that says \omega_{B}=\omega_{A}(0)\frac{a^{2}(M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t)}{b^{2}(M_{B}+\lambda t)}
Please tell me if something is unclear.
 
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Isn't your first differential equation dWa/Wa=lambda*dt/(Ma+Ms-lambda*t)?
 


RTW69 said:
Isn't your first differential equation dWa/Wa=lambda*dt/(Ma+Ms-lambda*t)?

Yes it is \frac{d\omega_{A}}{\omega_{A}}=\lambda \frac{dt}{M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t} This leads to \ln \omega_{A}=-\ln (M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t)+C which leads to my equation stated in original post.

However I think that the angular momentum of the inner drum might be constant. This is because now looking closer at my equations LA(t) and LA(t+delta*t) I get a sign difference. L_{A}(t+\Delta t)-L_{A}(t)=(M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t)a^{2}(\omega_{A}(t+\Delta t)-\omega_{A}(t))+\lambda a^{2}\Delta t(\omega_{A}(t)-\omega_{A}(t+\Delta t)) Now the second term in this equation becomes zero when taking the limit, so (M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t)a^{2}\frac{d\omega_{A}}{dt}=0 with the only solution that the angular momentum is constant.

Now putting this into the differential eguation for the second drum \frac{d\omega_{B}}{dt}+\frac{\lambda}{\lambda t+M_{B}}\omega_{B}=\omega_{A}(0)\frac{a^{2}}{b^{2}}\frac{\lambda}{\lambda t+M_{B}}, with the solution \omega_{B}(t)=\omega_{A}(0)\frac{a^{2}}{b^{2}} \frac{\lambda t}{\lambda t+M_{B}} This is correct according to the answer clue but not according to my answer sheet. Do you think this might be right? Will a drum losing mass have a constant angular momentum?
 

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