How Does Melting Ice Affect Global Entropy?

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The problem involves calculating the change in global entropy resulting from a 4.50 kg block of ice melting in the ocean, which has an average temperature of 3.50 C. The original poster is exploring the thermodynamic implications of this process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the entropy changes associated with melting ice and the subsequent heating of the melted water, but expresses uncertainty about the correct approach and relevant equations.
  • Some participants question how to calculate the entropy change for the heating of the melted ice and whether the ocean's temperature changes significantly as a result of the energy transfer.
  • There is a discussion about the source of energy for melting the ice and raising its temperature, with assumptions being made about the ocean's temperature drop.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the calculations involved in determining entropy changes. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of specific heat to find the heat energy (dQ), but there is no consensus on how to proceed with the calculations.

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The original poster mentions uncertainty about using equations and the scales of the values involved, indicating potential constraints in the problem setup. There is also a reference to a specific textbook for guidance on entropy calculations.

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Homework Statement



A 4.50 kg block of ice at 0 C falls into the ocean and melts. The average temperature of the ocean is 3.50 C, including all the deep water. By how much does the melting of this ice change the entropy of the world?

Homework Equations



Not sure if I should be using any equations as such, I've just been multiplying known values to get the energy, temperature and mass of the water and ice.

The Attempt at a Solution



I googled the mass of all water in the Earth's oceans, and got a figure of 7.61x10^23 kg, so I multiplied the specific heat capacity of water (4190 J/kg.K) by this mass to try and get the entropy of all the water, so I got 3.19x10^23 J/K.

I then got the entropy of the ice block by multiplying the latent heat of fusion of ice (3.34x10^5 J/kg) by the mass of the block and dividing it by the absolute temperature of the ice (273.15 K), giving what I thought was the entropy of the block to be 5502.47 J/K.

Obviously, because the two numbers are on completely different scales, adding/subtracting them makes almost no difference to the answer, so I've really no idea how to handle the question from here on!

All help is appreciated!
 
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Tw0 things happen to the water in the ice. First the ice melts, and then the water in the ice that melted changes temperature.

How is the entropy change for the second process calculated?

Does the temperature of the ocean change? From where does the energy come that melts the ice and raises its temperature?
 
"How is the entropy change for the second process calculated?"

Not sure how to calculate ANY entropy process, the textbook I have here (Sears and Zemansky's University Physics) gives me an equation dS = ∫dQ/T, where S is the entropy, Q is the heat energy and T is the absolute temperature, but I'm not sure how to apply that to what I have, I guess the ice block's temperature changes to the 3.5 C, but then where do I get the dQ value?

"Does the temperature of the ocean change? From where does the energy come that melts the ice and raises its temperature?"

I assume the temperature of the ocean drops SLIGHTLY, but I can't imagine it drops by any noticeable amount? Surely the energy comes from the slightly warmer ocean?
 
jfislove said:
but then where do I get the dQ value?

From the definition of specific heat.
 

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