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- Does a matrix have a dual?
How does one find the dual of a matrix?
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The discussion revolves around the concept of the dual of a matrix, exploring various interpretations and definitions of duality in the context of linear algebra and vector spaces. Participants inquire about the differences between dual matrices and inverse matrices, and the conversation extends to the properties of cross products in higher dimensions, particularly with four-vectors and their associated matrices.
Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of a dual matrix, and multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of duality and the existence of cross products in four dimensions.
The discussion highlights the ambiguity surrounding the term "dual matrix" and the various mathematical frameworks that could apply. There are unresolved questions about the properties and definitions of duals and cross products in higher dimensions.
In the sense that,martinbn said:Dual in what sense?
Can you specify precisely how this dual matrix differs from the more familiar inverse matrix?grzz said:In the sense that,
dual matrix times matrix = number, maybe complex times (unit matrix).
Thanks for your help.renormalize said:Can you specify precisely how this dual matrix differs from the more familiar inverse matrix?
The dual matrix in the first sense is ill-defined. For example, if ##A## is a ##3\times 2## matrix, there does not exist an ##m\times n## matrix ##B## such that ##AB## is a number.grzz said:In the sense that,
dual matrix times matrix = number, maybe complex times (unit matrix).
There are many pairings that could be considered dual. A dual matrix to a matrix ##A## as a term isn't defined. You can transpose a matrix ##A^\dagger## , possibly invert a matrix ##A^{-1}##, conjugate complex matrices ##\overline{A},## or write ##A=\sum_{k=1}^r u_k\otimes v^*_k## and consider ##\sum_{k=1}^r u_k^*\otimes v_k## as its dual.grzz said:Thanks for your help.
But the trouble is that I never met with a dual matrix. All I know is that a dual matrix obeys the relation I gave in my 2nd post.
The cross product in ##\mathbb{R}^3## is a Lie product of a three-dimensional, real, simple Lie algebra. You can define several Lie products on ##\mathbb{R}^4## but none of them belongs to a simple Lie algebra. I'm not 100% sure, but I think that you don't even get all vectors as the result of such a product, i.e. some vectors cannot be retrieved as a result of the product.grzz said:Hence your reply fits what I was asking for.
Another query of mine is whether there is a cross product of 4-vectors like there is with 3-vectors.
Thanks so.much.
The answer depends on what properties of the 3-dimensional cross product you want preserved in higher dimensions. For definiteness, let's suppose ##n \ge 3## and there is a "cross product" on ##\mathbb{R}^n##, which we assume to be a continuous map ##\times : \mathbb{R}^n \times \mathbb{R}^n \to \mathbb{R}^n## such that the cross product of any two independent vectors is nonzero, and ##v\times w## is always orthogonal to ##v## and ##w##. Then ##n## must be either ##3## or ##7##. Indeed, one can show that the existence of a cross product in this sense implies the existence of a continuous multiplication on the ##n##-sphere ##S^n## that makes ##S^n## into an ##H##-space. It was proven by J. F. Adams that ##S^n## is an ##H##-space if and only if ##n = 0, 1, 3##, or ##7##.grzz said:Another query of mine is whether there is a cross product of 4-vectors like there is with 3-vectors.
Thanks so.much.
I am not familiar with Lie Algebra. But thanks any way.fresh_42 said:The cross product in ##\mathbb{R}^3## is a Lie product of a three-dimensional, real, ...
That's easy in this case. Look at https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/journey-manifold-su2-part-ii/#61-The-Pauli-Matrices. There are three matricesgrzz said:I am not familiar with Lie Algebra. But thanks any way.