How Does One Prove the Limit of the Sequence \(\sqrt{n^2+n}-n\)?

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of the sequence \(x_n = \sqrt{n^2+n}-n\) using the \(\epsilon\) and \(N(\epsilon)\) definition of limits for sequences. Participants are exploring the limit's value and the approach to demonstrate convergence.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to establish the limit as \(1/2\) and works through various manipulations to find \(N(\epsilon)\). Some participants suggest alternative techniques, such as rewriting the expression to facilitate the limit evaluation. Others question the validity of the original poster's steps and express confusion about the convergence proof.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and alternative approaches. There is no explicit consensus on the limit's value or the correctness of the original poster's reasoning, but some guidance has been offered regarding potential simplifications.

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Participants note that the original poster's approach may contain mistakes, and there is a suggestion to reconsider the expression used in the limit proof. The conversation reflects a mix of interest and disengagement among participants, with some expressing a lack of interest in continuing the discussion.

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Homework Statement



find the limit and prove it using \epsilon and N(\epsilon) defn of limits f sequences, of this sequence:

x_n = \sqrt{n^2+n}-n

i don't know why I'm having so much trouble with this but anyway:

The Attempt at a Solution



let's say i divined that the limit is 1/2
we need to find N(\epsilon) such that n>N(\epsilon) implies

\big| \frac{1}{2} - \sqrt{n^2+n}-n \big| < \epsilon

well above implies

\big| \frac{1}{2} - \frac{\sqrt{n^2+n}+n}{\sqrt{n^2+n}+n} \sqrt{n^2+n}-n \big| < \epsilon

which implies

\big| \frac{1}{2} - \frac{n}{\sqrt{n^2+n}+n} \big| < \epsilon

which implies

\big| \frac{1}{2} - \frac{n}{n\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}+1} \big| < \epsilon

which implies

\big| \frac{1}{2} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}+1} \big| < \epsilon

which implies

\big| \frac{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}-1}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}+1} \big| < 2\epsilon

which implies

\big| \frac{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}-1}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}+1} \big| < \epsilon'

which implies

\big| \frac{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}+1} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}+1}\big| < \epsilon'

but

\big| \frac{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}+1} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}+1}\big| < \big| 1 - \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}}\big|

and by triangle inequality ( i think this is a mistake )

\big| 1 - \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}+1} \big| < 1 + \big| \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}} \big|

back to the epsilon, above implies we need to find n such that blah blah:1 + \big| \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{n}}} \big| < \epsilon'

which implies

1+ \frac{1}{n} > \frac{1}{(\epsilon - 1)^2}

which implies:

n > \frac{ (\epsilon - 1)^2 }{1- (\epsilon - 1)^2}

so is this valid? intuitively it doesn't look immediately wrong to me? the term on the right is positive and increasing as epsilon gets smaller...
 
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Hi ice109! :smile:

(nice LaTeX, btw, but you can make it even nicer by typing \left| and \right| for big |s :wink:)

Sorry, I lost interest less than half-way through. :redface:

Why not use the same technique at the start, by putting √(n2 + n) = n√(1 + 1/n)? :smile:

(or maybe compare it with yn = √(n2 + n + 1/4) - n :wink:)
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi ice109! :smile:

(nice LaTeX, btw, but you can make it even nicer by typing \left| and \right| for big |s :wink:)

Sorry, I lost interest less than half-way through. :redface:

Why not use the same technique at the start, by putting √(n2 + n) = n√(1 + 1/n)? :smile:

(or maybe compare it with yn = √(n2 + n + 1/4) - n :wink:)


if you hadn't lost interest you would have noticed i did do the first thing.

and your hint shows that my expression is less than 1/2 but it doesn't help me show that my sequence converges to 1/2 but that's cause i don't know quite how to use it to help me show that.
 
I've lost interest as well, but I think your:

<br /> \big| \frac{1}{2} - \sqrt{n^2+n}-n \big| &lt; \epsilon <br />

should be:

<br /> \big| \frac{1}{2} - \left( \sqrt{n^2+n}-n \right) \big| &lt; \epsilon <br />
 

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