How Does Position Affect Gravitational Force Between Three Objects?

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The discussion revolves around gravitational forces between three objects with specified masses and distances. The original poster attempts to calculate the net gravitational force on a 63.5 kg mass positioned between two other masses, 125 kg and 548 kg, and seeks to determine the distance from one of the larger masses where the net force on the 63.5 kg mass would be zero.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of gravitational force equations and question the correctness of the distance representation in the equations. The original poster expresses confusion over their calculations and seeks clarification on how to properly set up the problem.

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Some participants have offered guidance on setting up the equations symbolically and have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's approach. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which the net gravitational force would equal zero, with participants questioning the positioning of the 63.5 kg mass relative to the other two masses.

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Homework Statement


PART 1: Objects with masses of 125 kg and 548 kg are separated by 0.385 m. A 63.5 kg mass is placed midway between them.
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Find the magnitude of the net gravitational force exerted by the two larger masses on the 63.5 kg mass. The value of the universal gravitational constant is 6.672 × 10−11 N · m2 /kg2 . Answer in units of N.

PART 2: Leaving the distance between the 125 kg and the 548 kg masses fixed, at what distance from the 548 kg mass (other than infinitely remote ones) does the 63.5 kg mass experience a net force of zero? Answer in units of m.

Homework Equations


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F = Gmm/(d^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



So i got part 1 no problem, the answer is .00004836 N, but part 2 is a real tough one. For my first attempt, i set up the formula ( (548)(63.5)(6.67E-11)/x^2 ) + ( (125)(63.5)(6.672E-11)/(x+.385)^2 ) = 0

x being distance, and (x + .385) distance from smaller mass since it remains fixed

I got 0.8165837351598118 as an answer, but that was wrong.

Where did I go wrong? How can I solve this? Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks!
 
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I would recommend setting up the equation in symbols first. Then you can simplify by cancelling common factors on each side of the equation.

The expression x + .385 does not represent the correct distance.

Your equation reads ( (548)(63.5)(6.67E-11)/x^2 ) + ( (125)(63.5)(6.672E-11)/(x+.385)^2 ) = 0. Note that both terms on the left are positive. So, they can't add to zero.
 
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How would I do that? Gmm/d^2 - Gmm/d^2 = 0?
I used - because as you said if it were addition it could not add to zero, but am I setting that up right at all? Wouldn't the gravity of the two objects on the smaller one have to end up being equal to zero? Here's my reasoning behind the x + .385 distance
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In order for the total force on the 63.5 kg mass to be zero, does the 63.5 kg mass need to be between the other two masses or somewhere else? Think about the direction of the forces on the 63.5 kg mass.
 

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