How Does Relative Motion Affect Particle Energy in Special Relativity?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of relative motion on particle energy within the framework of special relativity. Specifically, it examines the energy of one particle as measured from the frame of another particle moving towards it at a specified speed.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the transformation of velocities and the calculation of energy using the Lorentz factor (gamma). Some question the complexity of finding the velocity of one particle in another's frame before calculating energy, while others suggest a more direct method.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, with some participants offering guidance on using Lorentz invariants and transformations. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach, and participants are still seeking clarification on certain concepts.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the transformations involved and the application of Lorentz invariants, indicating a potential gap in their prior knowledge. There is also a question regarding whether the two particles have the same mass, which may affect the discussion.

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2 particles, A & B, travel towards each other with speed S relative to the laboratory.

Show that the energy of A as measured by B is : Mc^2 (1 + S^2/c^2) y^2

y=gamma=1/SQRT(1 - S^2/c^2) M=rest mass



So if I consider the rest frame of B, I get the speed of A as 2S/[y(1 + S^2/c^2)], using the velocity transformation, and considering the frame of A also has speed S.

I am unsure where to go now, I can't see how I can end up with that ^^^^^.

Any pointers guys? Cheers:cool:
 
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It's probably more complicated to first try to find the velocity of particle A in B's frame and then to use that velocity to calculate the energy. There's a more direct way that makes the problem a bit simpler.

Recall, [itex]E = M c^2 \gamma[/itex]

So, to measure the energy of A in B's frame, we only need to know the gamma of A in B's frame. We know the gamma of A in the lab frame (or y, which is a part of the final answer so we can keep everything in terms of y). Do you know how to transform gamma (y) between frames? If you can figure that out, then you've basically solved the problem.
 
You can do this in a very elegant way.

Let pA denote the 4-momentum of A.
Let EA denote the energy of A.
Let pB denote the 4-momentum of B.
Let mB denote the (rest) mass of B.
Let . denote contraction of the Lorentz indices.

Relativity tells you two things:

1) pA.pB = EA mB
2) pA.pB is a Lorentz invariant.

EDIT: Do A and B have the same mass?
 
turin, your method seems a little beyond me, I haven't covered that before.

As for thransforming gamma between frames, could you give me a pointer in the right direction? I find these transformations can easily get me lost at times!
 
If you plan on ever using relativity, you should really invest some time in the elegant methods that utilize Lorentz invariants. Furthermore, it provides the most popular example (beyond Euclidean symmetries) of the use of invariants of a physical symmetry.

As for your transformation of gamma, here is a simplified representation in 1 spatial dimension.

[tex] \left(\begin{array}{cc}<br /> \gamma_1&\gamma_1\beta_1\\\gamma_1\beta_1&\gamma_1<br /> \end{array}\right)<br /> \left(\begin{array}{cc}<br /> \gamma_2&\gamma_2\beta_2\\\gamma_2\beta_2&\gamma_2<br /> \end{array}\right)<br /> =<br /> \left(\begin{array}{cc}<br /> \gamma_3&\gamma_3\beta_3\\\gamma_3\beta_3&\gamma_3<br /> \end{array}\right)[/tex]

it is a straightforward matrix calculation to determine [itex]\gamma_3[/itex] from [itex]\gamma_1[/itex] and [itex]\gamma_2[/itex].
 

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