How Does Special Relativity Affect Flash Timing in Different Inertial Frames?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of special relativity on the timing of flashes emitted from lattice clocks in two inertial frames, S and S'. The original poster is tasked with demonstrating how these flashes appear in frame S, particularly focusing on the speed and propagation of the flashes in relation to the Lorentz transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster expresses confusion about the initial conditions of the problem, particularly when the relative velocity v is zero. They question the meaning of a "flash occurring on a plane" and seek guidance on how to begin solving the problem. Other participants suggest using Lorentz transforms to understand the hyper surface of flash events and discuss the concept of velocity in this context. There is also a mention of simplifying the problem by focusing on two dimensions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and clarifications. Some have provided interpretations of the hyper surface and the nature of the flash events, while others are questioning the original poster's understanding of the concepts involved. There is no explicit consensus, but the discussion is moving towards a clearer understanding of the problem's requirements.

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The original poster indicates that they are self-studying relativity and questions whether the Homework Help section is the appropriate venue for their inquiries. This context may influence the nature of the discussion and the types of guidance provided.

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Homework Statement


Consider the usual two inertial frames S and S' in standard configuration. In S' the standard lattice clocks all emit a 'flash' at noon. Prove that in S this flash occurs on a plane orthogonal to the x-axis and traveling in the positive x-direction at (de-Broglie-) speed c^2/v.

Homework Equations


Lorentz transforms. The invariant interval (ct^2 - x^2 - y^2 - z^2 = ct'^2 - x'^2 - y'^2 - z'^2). To clarify standard configuration is just an orthogonal x y z for s and then an orthogonal x' y' for s' where x and y are parallel to x' and y' respectively and s' is moving away from s at speed v along the x and x' axis.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm struggling to begin. I think I'm misunderstanding something... because in thinking about limiting cases. Say we have an S' frame that happens to be the same as S (so v = 0), then the problem makes no sense. I feel like in that case the flash should be moving at a speed of 0. Perhaps this is misunderstanding what it means by a "flash occurring on a plane".

I just really need a hint on how to get started on this : (.
 
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If v = 0, the flash is happening everywhere at once and thus, in some sense, travels with infinite speed (the time between reaching x = 0 and x = 2000 lyr is zero). In Minkowski space, the flashes happen at the three dimensional hyper surface t' = 0. In order to see how this hyper surface looks in S, all you need to do is to use the Lorentz transforms. You should get a new three dimensional hyper surface, which you can parameterise with three of the coordinates in S.
 
Thanks for the response!

So I have gotten the velocity but I have a question about it.

So at t' = 0, we have *dt = gamma*(v*dx'/c^2). Then we say dx = gamma*dx' at t' = 0. So at t' = 0 we have dx/dt = c^2/v. I'm having trouble... figuring out what "velocity of the flash" is. I don't really know what a "hyper surface" is (no manifold stuff for me yet), so I don't understand. Is my.. process described above the correct way of looking at it? I feel weird only looking at t' = 0.

*Also as a side note - this isn't actually homework - I'm just trying to teach myself introductory relativity using Rinder's book. Is the "Homework help" section the correct place to post for me?*
 
Start thinking in two dimensions only, i.e., forget about the y and z directions, which are not affected by the Lorentz transformations anyway. The set of flash events are now a line and the line is given by t' = 0. If you look at a given time t in S, only one point will be flashing at that time, the "velocity" you are asked to find is the velocity with which this point "travels". I say it with quotes because nothing is really travelling.
 
To help with the interpretation of the problem, look at the attached figure which shows frame S. Consider a plane that is fixed in frame S that is oriented perpendicular to the x axis, such as plane A. You want to show that all points on this plane get illuminated simultaneously. If plane B is located some distance from plane A, then you need to show that plane B gets illuminated at a time later than A such that it would appear that light has traveled from A to B at a speed of c2/v.
 

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The people in the S frame of reference don't see all the clocks flash at once. They see the lights flashing in sequence along the x-axis like an array of dominos.

Chet
 

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