How Does Rope Tension Vary Along Its Length and Affect Wave Speeds?

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The discussion revolves around a flexible rope of length l and mass m that hangs between two walls, creating a sagging shape. Participants are examining the tension in the rope at both the ends and the middle, as well as the speed of transverse waves at these points. The problem involves concepts from mechanics and wave physics.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive expressions for tension at the ends and middle of the rope, using weight distribution and geometry. Some participants question the interpretation of "tension in the middle," seeking clarification on whether it refers to the midpoint or another location. Others suggest analyzing forces acting on segments of the rope to establish equilibrium conditions.

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Participants have made attempts to calculate the tensions and wave speeds, with some expressing uncertainty about the validity of their results. There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with different interpretations of the tension at the middle being discussed.

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There is a lack of diagrams to aid understanding, and some participants express frustration with the complexity of the problem. The original poster has provided calculations but is unsure of their correctness.

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Homework Statement


A flexible rope of length l and mass m hangs between two walls. The length of the rope is more than the distance between the walls, and the rope sags downward. At the ends, the rope makes an angle of \alpha with the walls. At the middle, the rope approximately has the shape of an arc of a circle; the radius of the approximating (osculating) circle is R. What is the tension in the rope at its ends? What is the tension in the rope at its middle? What is the speed of transverse waves at the ends? At the middle?


Homework Equations


v=\sqrt{\frac{T}{\mu}}

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, at the ends, it's kind of easy I think. Each end needs to support half the weight of the rope, so the force acting straight down on the end is \frac{1}{2}mg. We want to know what force in the rope would create that vertical force, so...
\cos{\alpha}=\frac{\frac{1}{2}mg}{T_1}

T_1=\frac{mg}{2\cos{\alpha}}

The tension in the middle is where I have troubles. I started by looking at a segment of the rope of length s at the bottom of the rope. The force required to keep this up is equal to m_s g, which, with \mu equal to the mass per unit length of the rope, is equal to

\mu sg = \frac{mgs}{l}

This force is exerted at an angle \theta above the horizontal, so the force exerted on a segment s by both rope sections becomes:

F=\frac{mgs}{l\sin{\theta}}

The formula for arc length is s=R\theta... But, in this case, the angle from the center of the approximating circle that subtends the arc of length s is equal to twice the theta that the rope makes with the horizontal at the ends of the arc (I wish I had a diagram to show you...), so: s=2R\theta. The formula for the force then becomes:

F=\frac{2mgR\theta}{l\sin{\theta}}

The tension in the rope is equal to this force at the infinitesimal point at the very bottom, so...

T_{2}=\lim_{\theta\to0}\frac{2mgR\theta}{l\sin{\theta}}

T_{2}=\frac{2mgR}{l}\lim_{\theta\to0}\frac{\theta}{\sin{\theta}}

That limit is equal to 1, so,

T_{2}=\frac{2mgR}{l}

To find the velocities we just need to plug that into the equation

v=\sqrt{\frac{T}{\mu}}, with \mu=\frac{m}{l}

Getting:

v_1=\sqrt{\frac{gl}{2\cos{\alpha}}} at the top

and

v_2=\sqrt{2gR} at the bottom.

So, I got answers for everything, but I have absolutely no idea if they're any good. I'm just wondering if I did this right. Thanks!
 
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You have found tension in the ends.
Let tension in the middle = T2
I do not know what is the meaning of tension in the middle. Does it mean tension exactly at the mid point? If so, then following will work: -

Consider the left half of the rope as the system under consideration. The forces on the system are
1. Weight mg/2 downward
2. Tension T1 at the left end at angle alpha with the vertical
3. Tension T2 at the bottom end towards right.

For horizontal equalibrium,
T2 = T1 sin(alpha)
T2 = mg/(2 cos(alpha)) * sin(alpha) = (mg/2)*tan(alpha)
 

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