How Does Rsinθ Relate to Extra String Length in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the expression Rsinθ and the concept of extra string length in a physics problem involving a mass attached to a string and a cylinder. Participants are exploring how these expressions relate to potential energy when the mass is displaced at an angle θ from the vertical.

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  • Participants are questioning the physical setup and the definitions of the terms involved, particularly the meaning of Rsinθ in the context of extra string length. There are attempts to relate arc length and angle measurements to the problem, with references to the definitions of radians and the geometry of circles.

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The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on the physical setup and the definitions of terms. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between arc length and angle, but there is still uncertainty about the specific application to the problem at hand.

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Participants are working with a scenario where a string is attached to a cylinder, and there are references to initial conditions and potential energy expressions. The exact physical setup remains unclear, which is a point of contention in the discussion.

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How do they get from the Rsinθ the value I have found the one I search: Rθ (extra string length)

I know that sinθ = θ when θ is small but there Rsinθ is the extra height the mass gain when we push it from initial position to a θ angle with vertical, I don't see how it could be the extra string length.

Thank you
 
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Hi, Dragster. It would be very helpful if you could describe the physical setup. I think I see what some of the expressions in the figure represent. But I don't understand at all what the small circle with diameter ##R\phi## represents. Is that some physical object?
 
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How do they get from the Rsinθ the value I have found the one I search: Rθ (extra string length)

I know that sinθ = θ when θ is small but there Rsinθ is the extra height the mass gain when we push it from initial position to a θ angle with vertical, I don't see how it could be the extra string length.

Thank you

Like TSny, I don't get the exact physical setup. But I can tell you that the arc length (length along the curve of the circumference) subtended by an angle ##\phi## along a circle of radius ##R## is ##R\phi##. Does that help in relating the "extra string length" to that expression?
 
I added the black circle with the ''?" on the top right.

Do you mind if I can get the rigorous explanation why the arc is Rθ? Thank you for the fast answers

Oh yea and for the problem, the string is attached on a cylinder. At theta = 0 with the vertical, the length is l0 and the asked result is the potential energy expression if the mass is pushed with an angle theta. I was only blocking on the part where I needed to know what was the extra string length.
 
Dragster said:
Do you mind if I can get the rigorous explanation why the arc is Rθ? Thank you for the fast answers

It's from the definition of how angles are measured:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radian
 
When the string is vertical, the 'extra' string is wrapped against the cylinder and subtends angle phi at the centre. Clearly the angle subtended by an arc of a circle at its centre is proportional to the length of the arc, and the radian is defined in such a way that the length is simply radius * angle.
 
Oh well I am really stupid after all.
Thank you cepheid et harusphex :)
First university session makes me feel like a complete ignorant idiot.
 

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