How Does SL(2,C) Relate to Its Manifold Structure?

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The discussion revolves around the manifold structure of the group SL(2,C) and its relationship to other groups such as SU(2). Participants explore the implications of representing elements of SL(2,C) as products of simpler group elements and the mathematical interpretations of certain equations related to these structures.

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  • One participant notes that SL(2,C) can be expressed as a product of SU(2) and another group, questioning the reasoning behind this decomposition.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding that the equality of manifolds is in a topological sense, suggesting that the relationship between the manifolds is isomorphic rather than direct.
  • A participant raises a question about the interpretation of the equation (x^{0})^{2} - ∑|x^{i}|^{2} = 1, expressing uncertainty about how it leads to the conclusion that H has a manifold structure of ℝ³.
  • One participant introduces the concept of polar decomposition as a mathematical theorem relevant to SL(2,C), indicating a formal understanding of the decomposition discussed.
  • A participant reflects on their evolving understanding of group theory, indicating a personal journey through the complexities of the topic.

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Participants express differing views on the clarity of the decomposition of SL(2,C) and the implications of certain mathematical expressions. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the manifold structure or the reasoning behind the relationships discussed.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made in interpreting the relationship between the manifolds and the specific mathematical steps leading to conclusions about their structures.

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According to my notes on SUSY 'as everyone knows, every continuous group defines a manifold', via

[tex]\Lambda : G \to \mathcal{M}_{G}[/tex]
[tex]\{ g = e^{i\alpha_{a}T^{a}} \} \to \{ \alpha_{a} \}[/tex]

It gives the examples of U(1) having the manifold [tex]\mathcal{M}_{U(1)} = S^{1}[/tex] and SU(2) has [tex]\mathcal{M}_{SU(2)} = S^{3}[/tex].

It then gives the example of SL(2,C) which I don't follow :

[tex]G = SL(2,\mathbb{C})[/tex] and [tex]g=HV[/tex] where [tex]V = SU(2)[/tex] and [tex]H=H^{\dagger}[/tex], positive and detH = 1.

[tex]H = x^{\mu}\sigma_{\mu} = \left( \begin{array}{cc} x^{0}+x^{3} & x^{1}+ix^{2} \\ x^{1}-ix^{2} & x^{0}-x^{3} \end{array} \right)[/tex]

Therefore [tex](x^{0})^{2} - \sum_{i}^{3} |x^{i}|^{2} = 1[/tex] so the manifold is [tex]\mathbb{R}^{3}[/tex], thus giving the full manifold [tex]\mathcal{M}_{SL(2,\mathbb{C})} = \mathbb{R}^{3} \times S^{3}[/tex]

I don't see how it's obvious to consider g as the product of two separate group elements. Is this just a case of knowing the answer and skipping part of the derivation or is there something obvious about SL(2,C) which tells you it's manifold is the direct product of two simpler manifolds?

Also, though I might be about to look very stupid, why does [tex](x^{0})^{2} - \sum_{i}^{3} |x^{i}|^{2} = 1[/tex] imply H has [tex]\mathcal{M}_{H} = \mathbb{R}^{3}[/tex], it would seem to me the defining equation isn't pointing at [tex]\mathbb{R}^{3}[/tex] but something slightly different.

Thanks in advance.
 
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AlphaNumeric said:
thus giving the full manifold [tex]\mathcal{M}_{SL(2,\mathbb{C})} = \mathbb{R}^{3} \times S^{3}[/tex]

Care needs to be taken in interpreting what the equals sign means here, as it is being used in a non-standard way. The contextual meaning here is that the two sets are isomorpic as topological spaces.

I don't see how it's obvious to consider g as the product of two separate group elements. Is this just a case of knowing the answer and skipping part of the derivation or is there something obvious about SL(2,C) which tells you it's manifold is the direct product of two simpler manifolds?

The former, I think.

Also, though I might be about to look very stupid, why does [tex](x^{0})^{2} - \sum_{i}^{3} |x^{i}|^{2} = 1[/tex] imply H has [tex]\mathcal{M}_{H} = \mathbb{R}^{3}[/tex], it would seem to me the defining equation isn't pointing at [tex]\mathbb{R}^{3}[/tex] but something slightly different.

Again, the two spaces are isomorphic as topological spaces. To see this, think of

[tex](x^{0})^{2} - \sum_{i}^{3} |x^{i}|^{2} = 1[/tex]

(with [itex]x^0 >0[/itex]) as a 3-dimensional (as a manifold) hyperboloid that is a subset of [itex]\mathbb{R}^4[/itex].

The mapping

[tex]\left( x^1 , x^2 , x^3 \right) \mapsto \left( \sqrt{\left(1 - \sum_{i}^{3} |x^{i}|^{2} \right)} , x^1 , x^2 , x^3 \right)[/tex]

is a homeomorphism between [itex]\mathbb{R}^3[/itex] and the hyperboloid.

I might add more of the details sometime in the next few days.
 
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The decomposition of an SL(2,C) element into a product of an SU(2) and H(2,C) element is known in mathematics as the theorem of polar decomposition for SL(2,C).

Daniel.
 
Cheers guys. George, I got the whole 'up to an isomorphism' thing about showing group or manifold relations, it's just I didn't see the particular relation between the surface in M^4 giving R^3 but your description and a discussion I had with a friend cleared it up nicely :)

For someone who disliked 1st year group theory, I'm doing a hell of a lot of it 4 years on! :\
 

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