How Does Suction in Bongs and Hookahs Influence Smoking Dynamics?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of suction in bongs and hookahs, exploring how suction influences smoking dynamics. Participants examine the principles of pressure differentials, the role of heat, and the interaction between air and water in these devices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the definition of suction and its mechanics in the context of bongs and hookahs, particularly how pressure changes affect air movement.
  • One participant explains that sucking reduces pressure in the mouth, allowing external air pressure to push air through the device and into the lungs.
  • Another participant suggests that heat from the lighter or charcoals contributes to pressure changes, although this claim is contested by others who argue that resistance remains the same regardless of temperature.
  • A participant raises a dilemma about how pressure differentials work when separated by water, comparing it to two rooms with different pressures separated by a wall.
  • Another participant clarifies that covering the opening of the device prevents air from equalizing pressure, thus affecting the suction process.
  • One explanation provided involves the concept of atmospheric pressure and how lowering pressure at the top of the bong allows air to enter from the lit part, pushing water down.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of heat in creating pressure and the mechanics of pressure differentials in the presence of water. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing explanations and hypotheses presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about pressure dynamics and the interaction of air and water remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of these interactions.

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I was watching my friends smoke hookah last night thinking about how it works. I drew this simplified figure to help for anyone who doesn't know what a bong or hookah looks like. I know that it works on the principle of suction, but what IS suction?

1. Why do different results occur when I suck on the top with my lips fully around the opening (insert sex joke here) aka creating a suction, compared to when I just suck in air with my mouth very close to the opening?
2. Why does sucking air from the taller tube cause air from the smaller tube to enter the the water?


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When you suck in on anything, such as a straw, hookah, whatever, you reduce the pressure in your mouth. On the other side of the straw or hookah the air pressure around you is pushing down and in. Since there is a difference in pressure the air is pushed from one end, through the water, and into your mouth/lungs finally.
 
I believe the heat from the lighter/charcoals has a lot to do with the pressure created.
 
TeslaG said:
I believe the heat from the lighter/charcoals has a lot to do with the pressure created.

I don't buy it. For one thing, the resistance when sucking air isn't any different whether the contents are on fire or at room temperature. Also, any pressure change caused by natural convection from the hot contents would suck air up through the smaller tube, which is the wrong direction.
 
Drakkith said:
When you suck in on anything, such as a straw, hookah, whatever, you reduce the pressure in your mouth. On the other side of the straw or hookah the air pressure around you is pushing down and in. Since there is a difference in pressure the air is pushed from one end, through the water, and into your mouth/lungs finally.

Why does the pressure in your mouth have anything to do with this system? I understand that breathing in decreases the pressure in the tube you are taking in air from, but how does that affect the other side of the tube? There is a pressure difference between the two volumes, but how do they directly experience each other when there is a body of water in between them? My view is clearly wrong because a bong does work, however I find this dilemma is comparable to two rooms of different pressures that are separated by a brick wall. Does the gas exchange take place through the water because the pressure differential force is greater than any resistant forces created by the water?

TeslaG said:
I believe the heat from the lighter/charcoals has a lot to do with the pressure created.

You can still suck air from one tube to the other even when nothing is lit.
 
ecneicS said:
I was watching my friends smoke hookah last night thinking about how it works. I drew this simplified figure to help for anyone who doesn't know what a bong or hookah looks like. I know that it works on the principle of suction, but what IS suction?

Awesome question, and even awesome-er picture. I'm glad I'm not the last person who uses mspaint.

1. Why do different results occur when I suck on the top with my lips fully around the opening (insert sex joke here) aka creating a suction, compared to when I just suck in air with my mouth very close to the opening?

When the entire hole is covered, air from the room cannot get into equalize the pressure.

2. Why does sucking air from the taller tube cause air from the smaller tube to enter the the water?

The way this was explained to me in school was as follows: there is always a great deal of air pressure (well, ~ 1 atmosphere of pressure, which is about 15 lbs per square inch, which sounds like a great deal to me at least) pushing on everything from all sides -- this is usually demonstrated by taking two halves of a globe and evacuating all of the air from them; the "suction" that keeps them together is really just the lack of air inside "pushing back". So the same thing happens with the bong -- you lower the pressure at the top of the container, so that pressure isn't there to push the water back down against the air pushing at the lit part, so air enters there.

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