How Does Technetium-99 Appear in Red Giants Beyond the Iron Peak?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the presence of technetium-99 in red giants, particularly addressing how it can exist in these stars despite being heavier than the iron peak, which is typically considered the limit for energy-releasing fusion processes. The conversation explores theoretical frameworks and processes involved in nucleosynthesis, including the s-process and r-process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that technetium-99 was detected in a red giant and questions how it could be present given its mass exceeds the iron peak.
  • Another participant explains that while iron and nickel represent the limit for energy-releasing fusion, fusion processes can continue beyond that point, albeit requiring energy input.
  • A further contribution identifies the s-process as the mechanism by which heavy elements in stars absorb neutrons, potentially leading to the formation of technetium-99.
  • One participant reiterates the idea that fusion processes beyond iron do not release energy and emphasizes the need for energy input, while also referencing the s-process and r-process.
  • A participant expresses a concern regarding the formation of technetium in stars, suggesting that it could not have been present from the beginning due to radioactive decay, and proposes that it was formed through the endoergic s-process.
  • This participant acknowledges the possibility of oversimplification in their understanding of how elements up to the iron peak are created through ordinary fusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the formation of technetium-99 in red giants, with no clear consensus reached on the mechanisms involved or the implications of the iron peak.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of fusion processes and the assumptions regarding the conditions under which technetium-99 can form. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of the s-process and r-process or the implications of radioactive decay on the presence of technetium in stars.

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Technetium 99 was detected in a red giant in 1952. Was this produced by nuclear fusion?
Technetium 99 was detected by spectroscopy in a red giant. How did it get there if it is heavier than the “iron peak”, the upper limit for fusion?
 
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To add, this is called the s-process, where heavy elements in the star absorb neutrons.
 
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mfb said:
Iron/nickel is the limit where fusion releases energy. Fusion processes continue beyond that, they just don't release energy any more but need energy input.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-process
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-process
My question arose from a straightforward problem showing how the technetium could not have been present in the star from the beginning, because of radioactive decay. To test my understanding, the technetium was formed in the star by the endoergic s-process. Elements up to the iron peak can be created by ordinary fusion. Probably an oversimplification on my part.
 

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