How Does the Brayton Cycle Work in Gas Turbines?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the operation of the Brayton cycle in gas turbines, particularly in the context of turbojet engines. Participants explore how thrust is generated during takeoff, the role of fuel combustion, and the function of the combustion chamber and nozzle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how thrust is increased during takeoff, specifically whether it is due to adding more fuel or changing the nozzle area.
  • Another participant asserts that more thrust is achieved by burning more fuel, which is controlled by the throttle.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between fuel addition, heat generation, gas expansion, and the resulting thrust from the nozzle.
  • A participant inquires whether the combustion chamber increases pressure or merely adds velocity to the compressed air.
  • Another question is raised regarding whether thrust is generated from the nozzle or the turbine itself.
  • Clarifications are provided about the combustion chamber being a constant-pressure process and the role of the compressor in compressing intake air.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that increasing fuel leads to more thrust, but there are still questions about the specific roles of the combustion chamber and nozzle in thrust generation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact mechanics of pressure changes and thrust sources.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the operation of the Brayton cycle and the functioning of turbojet engines are not fully explored, such as the specific dynamics of pressure changes in the combustion chamber and the relationship between the turbine and nozzle in thrust production.

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Hi
I am new member ( mechanical engineer student ) , and the college just add a new course which is
Turbo machinery , any way the teacher is new to the course & the quality of our teacher is not that
good so , I was having a question and ask him but didnt get much from him so here I am ^^When the plane is taking off the plane start to accelerate and that force come from the thrust when air
flow out through nozzle , so how the pilot increase the speed its got the same intake area so how its
can produce more thrust is it by adding more fuel in combustion chamber or does the area of nozzle
change ?

I wish I didn't bother with my question please help me to understand in easy language ( my main is Arabic )thanks ^^
 
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Almunthir said:
Hi
I am new member ( mechanical engineer student ) , and the college just add a new course which is
Turbo machinery , any way the teacher is new to the course & the quality of our teacher is not that
good so , I was having a question and ask him but didnt get much from him so here I am ^^When the plane is taking off the plane start to accelerate and that force come from the thrust when air
flow out through nozzle , so how the pilot increase the speed its got the same intake area so how its
can produce more thrust is it by adding more fuel in combustion chamber or does the area of nozzle
change ?

I wish I didn't bother with my question please help me to understand in easy language ( my main is Arabic )thanks ^^
No, you get more thrust from a gas turbine by burning more fuel. That's what the throttle control is for.
 
SteamKing said:
No, you get more thrust from a gas turbine by burning more fuel. That's what the throttle control is for.

So you mean more fuel then more heat ,so the gas will expand and large in volume and go out of nozzle faster creating more thrust , Am I write ?

And thnx for reply wish all the best for you ^^
 
Almunthir said:
So you mean more fuel then more heat ,so the gas will expand and large in volume and go out of nozzle faster creating more thrust , Am I write ?

And thnx for reply wish all the best for you ^^

Yes, you are right.
 
As more fuel is added, the turbine spins faster, increasing both the intake flow and the exhaust flow.
 
Im back again with more question , for sure its about turbojet engine
1* does the combustion chamber increase the pressure or change it due to fuel addition and ignition or its only to add velocity to the compressed air ?
2* also the thrust force that we get is from the nozzle or the turbine ?thanks
 
Almunthir said:
Im back again with more question , for sure its about turbojet engine
1* does the combustion chamber increase the pressure or change it due to fuel addition and ignition or its only to add velocity to the compressed air ?
2* also the thrust force that we get is from the nozzle or the turbine ?thanks
The Brayton cycle is used to analyze gas turbines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brayton_cycle

1) The combustion chamber is open at both ends when fuel is injected and burned, so it's a constant-pressure process. The compressor at the front of the engine is the device which compresses the intake air before it enters the combustion chamber.

2) See this article for more details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbojet
 

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