How does the density of air affect the note you hear?

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The discussion revolves around how the density of air affects the perceived pitch of notes produced by musical instruments, particularly focusing on a high school physics project involving a percussion instrument. Participants explore various theories and explanations regarding the relationship between air density, pressure, and sound frequency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how air density influences perceived pitch and references a video demonstrating changes in pitch with pressurized air.
  • Another participant explains that the frequency of the note produced by the bottle is influenced by the tension in the skin of the bottle, which is affected by internal air pressure rather than air density.
  • A different participant notes that the frequency perceived by the ear corresponds to the source frequency, which may or may not depend on air properties, highlighting differences between types of instruments.
  • Some participants mention that wind instruments tend to play higher pitches in less dense air, suggesting implications for recording studios at high altitudes.
  • One participant emphasizes that the instrument in question is a percussion instrument, where air pressure adjusts the membrane tension, contrasting it with wind instruments.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between pressure, sound velocity, and resonant frequency, suggesting that changes in density and bulk modulus may not significantly affect sound in this context.
  • There is mention of specific atmospheric conditions affecting wind instruments, with a reference to a band experiencing pitch issues at high altitudes.

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Participants express differing views on the role of air density versus pressure in determining pitch, with some emphasizing the importance of pressure in percussion instruments while others focus on the effects in wind instruments. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific impacts of air density and pressure on sound frequency.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the discussion primarily concerns percussion instruments, which may have different acoustic properties compared to wind instruments. There are also mentions of second-order factors that could influence the relationship between air properties and sound frequency.

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How does pressurized air in a bottle change the sound of the note being played (more air = higher note) but what is the explanation behind why this works?
I'm making an instrument for a high school physics project and I was wondering how the density of air changes the perceived note and the explanation behind it. I've managed a few possible theories but none that I was fully confident in. I'll reference a video which inspired my idea, adding more pressurized air to the bottle changes the pitch but I'm not exactly sure how this could work, does anyone have any answers? Thanks for the help.
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You are making a drum. The skin of the bottle is the membrane. When the bottle is struck it deforms, then it springs back to the original shape at a rate determined by the tension in the skin. The tension in the skin is determined by the internal air pressure. So the frequency of the note rises as the air pressure is increased.
It is not the density of the air, but the pressure that makes the difference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum
 
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Your ear measured frequency. It hears the same frequency as the source. The frequency of the source may or may not depend on the properties of air. A flue or organ pipe is different from an electronic loudspeaker.
 
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I know that wind instruments play higher pitch in less dense air. This can be a problem for recording studios at high altitudes.
 
The instrument described in the OP is not a wind instrument. It is a percussion instrument where the air pressure is used to adjust the tension in the membrane.
 
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Hornbein said:
I know that wind instruments play higher pitch in less dense air. This can be a problem for recording studios at high altitudes.
To first order, pressure does not affect sound velocity and, hence, the resonant frequency for cavities of a given length. The reduction in density due to pressure cancels with the corresponding reduction in bulk modulus for an ideal gas. Are there some second order factors at play here?

You get a higher tone in a flute in a helium-oxygen atmosphere compared to a nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere. You do not get a higher tone for a 1/2 bar atmosphere compared to a 1 bar atmosphere.

To be clear, this would be relevant if we were discussing wind instruments and resonances due to the speed of sound in air. But we are actually discussing a percussion instrument. The resonances are due to the vibration of the instrument. Like the resonance of a violin string as it is being tightened.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
To first order, pressure does not affect sound velocity and, hence, the resonant frequency for cavities of a given length. The reduction in density due to pressure cancels with the corresponding reduction in bulk modulus for an ideal gas. Are there some second order factors at play here?

You get a higher tone in a flute in a helium-oxygen atmosphere compared to a nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere. You do not get a higher tone for a 1/2 bar atmosphere compared to a 1 bar atmosphere.

To be clear, this would be relevant if we were discussing wind instruments and resonances due to the speed of sound in air. But we are actually discussing a percussion instrument. The resonances are due to the vibration of the instrument. Like the resonance of a violin string as it is being tightened.
I say this because when Earth Wind and Fire recorded in Colorado they complained that the high altitude made their wind instruments go sharp.
 
1. Just the wind instruments? The Earth and Fire instruments were OK?
2. Bands say a lot of things on stage - "Hello Muncie! It's great to be back! One of our favorite cities!"
 
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