How Does the Heat Transfer Rate Affect a Beaker of Liquid Nitrogen?

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The discussion revolves around the heat transfer rate affecting a beaker of liquid nitrogen, specifically addressing the mass loss of liquid nitrogen over a period and the relevance of the beaker's heat capacity in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why the specific heat capacity of the beaker is considered irrelevant, questioning the relationship between the temperatures of the beaker and the liquid nitrogen. Other participants suggest viewing the beaker as a thermal resistance and capacitance, leading to discussions about temperature differences across the beaker's walls.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the thermal dynamics involved, particularly regarding the temperature gradient within the beaker and its implications for heat transfer. There is an ongoing dialogue about the nature of thermal resistance and capacitance in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the transient and steady-state conditions of the thermal system, with assumptions about the temperatures of the beaker's surfaces being discussed. The original poster's confusion regarding the beaker's temperature relative to the liquid nitrogen and surroundings is noted.

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Homework Statement


The mass of liquid nitrogen in an open beaker is found to have decreased by 46.3 g in 10 minutes. If the s.l.h of vaporisation of nitrogen at its boiling point is 1.99 x 105, at what rate were the surroundings heating the beaker? Why is the heat capacity of the beaker irrelevant?

Homework Equations


E = mc delta T
E = m l

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I am fine with the numerical answer but can't figure out the last part of the question. I would have thought that the specific heat capacity is relevant. I first thought it was irrelevant because the beaker and liquid nitrogen would be at the same temperature but then I thought surely the beaker must be at a higher temperature than the liquid nitrogen inside otherwise there would be no flow of heat? Also it must be higher because the temperature of the surroundings is higher again there would be a flow of heat to the beaker so the beaker's temperature must be changing?
 
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Don't think of the beaker as having a single temperature. It represent a thermal resistance and capacitance in a thermal circuit, and there are fixed temperatures presented at each side. Like any RC "circuit" there will be transient and steady-state conditions. Argue from there.
 
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I don't think I quite follow. Do you mean the side of the beaker next to the surroundings had a different temperature to the inside part which is in contact with the liquid nitrogen?
 
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I don't think I quite follow. Do you mean the side of the beaker next to the surroundings had a different temperature to the inside part which is in contact with the liquid nitrogen?
Yes. The inside wall will be held at the liquid nitrogen temperature (or very close to it depending upon the coefficient of heat transfer for the materials) while the outside wall is bathed in the outside air at (presumably) room temperature.
 

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