How Does the Human Eye Detect the Dimmest Starlight?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the intensity of the dimmest star detectable by the human eye, based on the ability to perceive as few as 9 photons per second. Participants are exploring the calculations involved in determining this intensity and comparing it to the intensity of noon sunlight.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of equations related to intensity, power, and photon energy. There are questions about whether adjustments need to be made for the area of the pupil in the calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations and seek clarification on potential mistakes.

Discussion Status

There is active engagement among participants, with some confirming similar calculations while others question the accuracy of their results. Insights and tips are being shared, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correctness of the answers provided.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of specific values for the radius of the pupil and the wavelength of light, as well as the requirement to compare the calculated intensity to that of noon sunlight. There is mention of potential adjustments needed for the area of the pupil, indicating a point of confusion in the problem setup.

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hi there. there's an example in the book, but I'm having a little trouble here.

Homework Statement


Assume that the human eye can pick up as few as 9 photons/s in the visible range. Based on this, estimate the intensity of the dimmest star that can be detected by a night-adapted eye. What is the ratio of this intensity to the intensity of noon sunlight, some 1400 W/m2? This large intensity range means that the eye is indeed a very adaptable instrument.
Answer format = (intensity of 9 photons/s / intensity of noon sun)

use 3mm for the radius of the pupil.
use 550 nm for wavelength.

Homework Equations


I=Power/Area
I=N*E, N is the number of photons/(m^2*s)
E=h*f
f=c/lambda
A=Pi*r^2

The Attempt at a Solution



So I want the intensity, which is N * E, which is (N * h * c) / (Pi * r^2 * lambda). I get the intensity of the dimmest star on the human eye as 1.14592 * 10^(-13).

With the given intensity of noon sunlight (do I need to adjust this for the area of the pupil?...), I divide it. 1.14592*10^(-13) / 1440 = 7.95775*10^(-17).

but this is wrong, so... either I was supposed to adjust the noon intensity, or I've made one or several other mistakes.

I'd appreciate any insights or tips.

Thanks!

,Yroyathon
 
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your equation is correct
check ur calculations^_^
 
I got the same numbers. Why do you think it's wrong? What do you think the right answer is?
 
I got 1.150429803e-13 for the intensity of the star

divide it by 1400, the final answer should be 8.217e-17
 

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