How Does the Infinite Potential Well Illustrate the Uncertainty Principle?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the infinite potential well and the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of energy levels in the context of the Schrödinger equation and how these relate to uncertainties in position and momentum.

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  • One participant notes that the energy levels in an infinite potential well cannot be zero, suggesting a connection to the uncertainty principle.
  • Another participant proposes that since the well has finite width, the uncertainty in position is finite, leading to implications for momentum uncertainty.
  • A participant questions the assumption that HΨ = EΨ and seeks clarification on its validity.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the implications of E=0 on the uncertainty principle, specifically that it would require ΔP to be zero, contradicting the finite width of the well.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the explanations, indicating that their understanding has improved.

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Participants engage in clarifying questions and explanations, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretations of the connections between energy levels and the uncertainty principle.

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Some assumptions regarding the separation of variables in the Schrödinger equation and the implications of finite width on uncertainties are discussed, but these remain unresolved in terms of broader applicability.

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infinite potential well and the uncertainty principle

the solution for Schroedinger equation in infinite potential well satisfy the following

energy levels:

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where l is the width of the well.

E can't be zero since then \psi=0 so there isn't any particle in the well . i read in

a book that "there is a tight connection between this fact (E\neq0) and the

uncertainty principle", what exactly is the connection?
 
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I don't know what the author meant, but my guess would be:
- since the well has finite width, the uncertainty in position is always finite, i.e. \Delta X < \infty
- now, if you take time-independent Schroedinger equation H\Psi=E\Psi \Leftrightarrow \frac{\partial^2 \Psi}{\partial x^2}=\frac{-2mE}{\hbar^2}\Psi and put this into momentum uncertainty: \langle P^2 \rangle - \langle P \rangle^2 and calculate the integrals, you obtain that (\Delta P)^2 is something like \frac{-2mE}{\hbar^2}. So E=0 would violate uncertainty principle, since for E=0 \Delta P = 0, \Delta X < \infty
 
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Thanks for your time, i really appreciate it.

but i didn't understand two things:

1. how can you assume that H\Psi=E\Psi?

2. why does \Delta X < \infty imply for contradiction in the uncertainty principle?
 
Ad. 1. When trying to determine possible energy values, we look first for a separated solution to the Schrödinger equation, i.e. solution of the form \psi (x, t) = \Psi (x) \phi (t). If the Hamiltonian H is time-independent, separation of variables proves that H\Psi = E\Psi for some constant E (look this part up in any textbook). Now we have to determine possible values of E, and the argument above show that we cannot have E=0. This is actually a bit of an overkill, since the equation \frac{\partial^2 \Psi}{\partial x^2}=0, along with boundary conditions \Psi (0)=\Psi(L)=0, gives \Psi = 0 instantly, but I guess this is what the author had in mind.

Ad. 2. The uncertainty principle says that \Delta X \Delta P \geq \frac{\hbar}{2}. For E=0 we get \Delta P=0 as well, so the uncertainty principle could be satisfied only if \Delta X = \infty. But the well has finite width, so position uncertainty is also finite.

Obviously, this is a very roundabout way of proving that E \neq 0.
 
Thanks,

now it's all clear
 

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