Uncertainty of position in an infinite potential well

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The discussion revolves around the uncertainty of position and momentum for a particle in an infinite potential well, focusing on the implications of the ground state energy and the corresponding momentum calculations. The scope includes conceptual understanding and mathematical reasoning within quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant states that the ground state energy of a particle in an infinite potential well leads to a precise momentum value, suggesting that this implies 100% certainty in momentum and an infinite uncertainty in position.
  • Another participant challenges the momentum calculation, indicating that the momentum should be derived using the momentum operator applied to the ground-state energy eigenfunction, rather than relying on the initial relation presented.
  • A third participant reiterates the initial momentum calculation but introduces the concept of expectation values, noting that while the average momentum is zero, the uncertainty in momentum is not zero, leading to a non-infinite uncertainty in position.
  • A fourth post references the momentum space wave functions and suggests examining the momentum probability distribution for further insights.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between momentum certainty and position uncertainty, with some asserting that a precise momentum leads to infinite position uncertainty, while others argue that the uncertainty in momentum is not zero, indicating a more complex relationship. The discussion remains unresolved with competing interpretations of the quantum mechanical principles involved.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the momentum and position uncertainty relationships, particularly in the application of quantum mechanical operators and the interpretation of expectation values. The discussion does not resolve these mathematical nuances.

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The ground state energy of a particle trapped in an infinite potential well of width a is given by (ħ2π2)/2ma2. So the momentum is given by (2mE)1/2 = ħπ/a. Since this is a precise value, doesn't that mean that we know momentum with 100% certainty? And if that is the case shouldn't the uncertainty in position be infinite?
 
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Your relation for the momentum is incorrect.
You can find the momentum in QM by applying the momentum operator - just like you find the energy by applying the energy operator. So what happes when you apply the momentum operator to the ground-state energy eigenfunction for a particle in a box?

Note: The momentum wavefunction is the Fourier transform of the position wavefunction.
 
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The ground state energy of a particle trapped in an infinite potential well of width a is given by (ħ2π2)/2ma2. So the momentum is given by (2mE)1/2 = ħπ/a. Since this is a precise value, doesn't that mean that we know momentum with 100% certainty? And if that is the case shouldn't the uncertainty in position be infinite?

But if all you know is E, then the momentum is \pm \sqrt{2mE}. So the expectation value of p is 0 (it's just as likely to be pointing in one direction as another). A rough estimate of the uncertainty in a quantity is the standard deviation, which would tell us:

\delta p = \sqrt{\langle p^2\rangle - \langle p \rangle^2} where \langle X \rangle means the expectation value, or average value. So for this problem:

\langle p \rangle = 0
\langle p^2 \rangle = 2mE

So
\delta p = \sqrt{2mE} = \frac{\hbar \pi}{a}

So the uncertainty of p is not zero.
 
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