How Does the Limit of tan^-1(1/(x-pi))/(pi-x) Behave as x Approaches pi?

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The discussion revolves around the limit of the expression \(\frac{\tan^{-1}(1/(x-\pi))}{\pi-x}\) as \(x\) approaches \(\pi\). Participants are exploring the behavior of this limit, particularly focusing on the implications of the numerator and denominator approaching zero.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to analyze the limit by substituting \(y = x - \pi\) and transforming the expression. There are discussions about the behavior of the numerator and denominator as \(x\) approaches \(\pi\), with some questioning the validity of certain limit laws.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants suggest that the limit does not exist based on their reasoning about the numerator and denominator, while others are questioning assumptions and clarifying the implications of their findings.

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There are mentions of potential misprints in the limit laws being referenced, and some participants express confusion regarding the transformations used in their attempts to solve the limit. The discussion reflects a mix of humor and serious inquiry into the mathematical principles at play.

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1. lim as x→+pi ##\frac{tan^-1(1/(x-pi))}{pi-x}##

Homework Equations

: lim(x/y)= lim (x) - lim (y)

The Attempt at a Solution

:

umm don't know where to go from here...

lim as x→+pi [tan^-1(1/(x-pi))] - lim as x→+pi (pi-x)
 
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mathgeek69 said:

Homework Equations

: lim(x/y)= lim (x) - lim (y)
You cannot mean that!
 
mathgeek69 said:
1. lim as x→+pi ##\frac{tan^-1(1/(x-pi))}{pi-x}##
Let [itex]y= x- \pi[/itex] so the problem becomes
[itex]\lim_{y\to 0} \frac{tan^{-1}(1/u)}{u}[/itex]
The denominator is going to 0 while the numerator is not.

Homework Equations

: lim(x/y)= lim (x) - lim (y)
I assume this is a misprint. But even "lim(x/y)= lim(x)/lim(y)" is not generally true.

The Attempt at a Solution

:

umm don't know where to go from here...

lim as x→+pi [tan^-1(1/(x-pi))] - lim as x→+pi (pi-x)
 
haruspex said:
You cannot mean that!

oops, I meant to say
multiplication_law.gif
 
mathgeek69 said:
oops, I meant to say [PLAIN]http://www.math.oregonstate.edu/home/programs/undergrad/CalculusQuestStudyGuides/SandS/lHopital/Laws/multiplication_law.gif[/QUOTE]
OK, but doesn't help if the two limits on the RHS are contradictory, e.g. one goes to infinity while the other goes to zero. However, that's not the case here. Follow HallsofIvy's hint.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Let [itex]y= x- \pi[/itex] so the problem becomes
[itex]\lim_{y\to 0} \frac{tan^{-1}(1/u)}{u}[/itex]
The denominator is going to 0 while the numerator is not.

I don't know where you got the u from. This is what I got:

Let [itex]y= x- \pi[/itex] so the problem becomes
[itex]\lim_{y\to 0} \frac{tan^{-1}(1/-y)}{y}[/itex]

now I do see that the denominator goes to 0 but the numerator does not. This means the limit does not exist ?
 
mathgeek69 said:
I don't know where you got the u from. This is what I got:

Let [itex]y= x- \pi[/itex] so the problem becomes
[itex]\lim_{y\to 0} \frac{tan^{-1}(1/-y)}{y}[/itex]

now I do see that the denominator goes to 0 but the numerator does not. This means the limit does not exist ?

The limit division law says if lim of f(x) and g(x) exists and if lim of g(x) isn't 0 then...
division_law.gif


Because in my answer the denominator reaches 0, the limit of entire question DOES NOT EXIST ?
 
mathgeek69 said:

Homework Equations

: lim(x/y)= lim (x) - lim (y)
In a less formal setting, I'd be laughing hysterically with iterated references to a time paradox internet meme. In this case, though, dying of laughter on the inside will have to suffice. :smile:

Joking aside, to answer your question of your limit's existence, it should not exist.

The numerator should approach ##-\pi/2## while your denominator approaches 0, which generally implies the limit is considered to be undefined.
 
mathgeek69 said:
Let [itex]y= x- \pi[/itex] so the problem becomes
[itex]\lim_{y\to 0} \frac{tan^{-1}(1/-y)}{y}[/itex]

now I do see that the denominator goes to 0 but the numerator does not. This means the limit does not exist ?
Yes. Given ε > 0, you can find arbitrarily small y such that [itex]tan^{-1}y^{-1} > \epsilon[/itex].
However, this in your later post is not quite correct:
Because in my answer the denominator reaches 0, the limit of entire question DOES NOT EXIST ?
You also need the fact that the numerator does not converge to 0. If both converged to zero you would need a subtler approach to resolve the matter.
 

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