How Does the Michelson-Morley Experiment Challenge Classical Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the Michelson-Morley experiment and its implications for classical physics, particularly in the context of light behavior in an interferometer setup. Participants explore the mathematical modeling of light paths, the effects of mirror alignment, and the resulting interference patterns. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects, practical considerations, and the experimental design of the interferometer.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant discusses the calculation of time taken by light in the ether frame and questions the assumption of mirror alignment at right angles.
  • Another participant proposes a Galilean ether model, suggesting that light's velocity in the ether rest frame is diagonal, leading to different expected velocities in the interferometer frame.
  • Concerns are raised about the visibility of interference patterns when mirrors are perfectly aligned, with some arguing that this leads to a bullseye pattern that may not be practical for observation.
  • Participants discuss the impact of tilting mirrors on the interference pattern, noting that it creates a small path difference that allows for easier observation of moving lines across the screen.
  • One participant acknowledges oversimplification regarding the bullseye pattern and explains the effects of non-zero path differences on interference, emphasizing the importance of mirror alignment for achieving high-contrast fringes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of mirror alignment and the resulting interference patterns. There is no consensus on the best approach to achieve observable results in the interferometer setup, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal conditions for observing interference.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to mirror alignment and the coherence of light sources, which may affect the clarity of interference patterns. The discussion also reflects varying assumptions about the ether model and its relevance to the experiment.

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Here, for calculating t2 , w.r.t. ether frame, light is moving along the triangular path as shown in Fig. 1.7 with speed c.

w.r.t. interferometer frame, light is moving along the straight path with speed c##\hat y## - v ##\hat x## while going up and with speed -c##\hat y## - v ##\hat x## while going down.
So, t2 = ##( {2 l_2})/ {\sqrt (c^2 +v^2)}##
What is wrong here?

In page no.21, it's written If M1 and M2 are nearly(but not quite) at right angles.
Why can't we take "quite right angles"?
 
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Pushoam said:
w.r.t. interferometer frame, light is moving along the straight path with speed c^y\hat y - v ^x\hat x while going up and with speed -c^y\hat y - v ^x\hat x while going down.
In the interferometer frame light is moving purely in the y direction. Assuming a Galilean ether model, in the ether rest frame its velocity is c in some diagonal direction - call it ##(c\cos\theta) \hat y+(c\sin\theta)\hat x##. Thus its velocity in the interferometer frame is expected to be just ##(c\cos\theta) \hat y'##.
Pushoam said:
In page no.21, it's written If M1 and M2 are nearly(but not quite) at right angles.
Why can't we take "quite right angles"?
You can do. But then you get constructive or destructive interference across the whole screen and see the whole thing either light or dark. When a path difference arises between the arms the whole screen becomes lighter or darker.

However, if you tilt one of the mirrors slightly there is a small path difference across the screen and you get the lined pattern shown. When a path difference between the arms arises, the lines drift across the screen.

It's much easier for humans to keep track of moving lines than it is to precisely measure brightness or darkness, so the "slightly tilted mirror" is a better experimental setup. This is just practicalities of using an interferometer. It's useful to know, but it's not really anything to do with relativity.
 
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Pushoam said:
In page no.21, it's written If M1 and M2 are nearly(but not quite) at right angles.
Why can't we take "quite right angles"?
Ibix said:
You can do. But then you get constructive or destructive interference across the whole screen and see the whole thing either light or dark.
Actually, you see this only if the screen is "too small." If M1 and M2 are perfectly aligned at right angles, the interference pattern looks like a bullseye target with a central maximum or minimum. As you move one mirror, the rings either contract towards the center or expand outwards, and the central region alternates between maximum and minimum intensity. Do a Google search for "michelson interferometer bullseye" and you'll find some pictures. I bet there are YouTube videos, too.

When you "tilt" one of the mirrors enough, the center of the bullseye moves far enough off screen that you see only small sections of large-radii circular fringes. They look like nearly-straight lines that move transversely across the screen as you move one mirror.
 
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True - I oversimplified. The bullseye pattern is a consequence of the beams not being perfectly collimated, so if there's a non-zero path difference between the arms you get spherical wavefronts with different radii of curvature interfering. But if you have perfectly aligned mirrors then the closer you come to zero path difference the larger that central spot gets until it fills your view whatever you do. Which is annoying since, particularly with short coherence time sources in pre-laser days, the contrast between light and dark fringes falls off as you move away from zero path difference.

Tilting one of the mirrors ensures that the spherical wavefronts are not concentric even if they have the same radius of curvature. That means you get stripy fringes even at zero path difference, which let's you easily operate the instrument in the regime where the fringes are high contrast.
 

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